Statement Delivered by Ryan Lochte in 200 IM (1:57.20); Katinka Hosszu Doubles Again

Ryan Lochte, by Peter Bick

A swim of 1:57.20 from Ryan Lochte in the 200 individual medley was a big statement, while Katinka Hosszu notched No. 1 and No. 3 world marks in her events on the last night of the USA Swimming Pro Series in Charlotte.

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A swim of 1:57.20 from Ryan Lochte in the 200 individual medley was a big statement, while Katinka Hosszu notched No. 1 and No. 3 world marks in her events on the last night of the USA Swimming Pro Series in Charlotte.

Comments

aswimfan

So yeah, I am keeping my prediction Lochte makes it to Rio in 200 IM and 4×200.
And Phelps in 100 fly and the relays.

Nothing in Charlotte has made me change my prediction.

aswimfan

But wow Hosszu!

I have never seen a swimmer like her who is able to churn out that many world leading times almost every single time she enters the water.

What she’s doing is revolutionary, it may not be applicable to all swimmers but it certainly exemplary to many swimmers.

TGregory

It was a fast meet overall, and Hosszu
was amazing.1:55 200 free,2:07 200 back,2:08 200 IM,2:08 200 fly,4:35 400 IM, and a low 59 100 back. It will be hard for her to decide what to swim at Worlds. Is there a limit to the individual events a person can enter?

Craig Lord

No limit, TGregory beyond the most important one … imposed by self and the opposition with keen focus come global waters

easyspeed

@a swim fan: Phelps still favorite to win 200 IM gold in Rio IMO.

easyspeed

Weird seeing Ryan swim a bit better in season. Not sure if that is a good thing tho.

aswimfan

easyspeed, there’s still one year and a half to Rio, and A LOT OF things may change from now in Rio, and therefore I am not comfortable who is favorite for Rio gold and who is not.

Barring injury, the only swimmer I am comfortable saying as favorite for Rio gold is Ledecky.

So in case of Phelps, RIGHT NOW, I am only comfortable in predicting he will qualify for Rio in 100 fly and the relays. There are now just too many US youngsters in IM events, in addition to Lochte, that will vyi for 200 IM berth.

for33

While I understand that she raced several races a day, and that she’s not optimally rested, it seems to me that to win the 200m butterfly Ms. Hosszu will need to reduce her time two or more seconds. That seems a very tall order. I think it’ll be one of the most contested races at the World Championships.

Bad Anon

for33, me thinks Hosszu has a greater chance of medalling in the 100/200back than winning gold in the 200fly

So Cal Swimmer

It is startling to see Phelps struggle the way he did in Charlotte. I am taking the train of thought that his age is an important factor here. He is in extremely heavy training and cannot bounce back with fast swims the way he could years ago. Rest is going to be his savior on the way to Olympic Trials (I won’t predict Rio until he is there).

Jay

Hosszu continues to amaze me. Top performances have become the routine. Her hardest decision will be to pare down her events list for Kazan to maximize win potential and top times. I agree with previous posters that the 200 fly might be a good sacrifice to make room for the 200/400 IM, 200 Free, 100/200 back. Still an agressive schedule but eliminating three rounds of a 200 fly could give her a slight breather. If another event were to be sacrificed, perhaps 200 free, but her performance in Charlotte surely impressed.

easyspeed

I’m struck by the photo of Lochte’s cap. Looks like it is going to fall off. Not very hydrodynamic. Whenever I wear that type of cap same thing happens. Best to wear two of the old fashioned kind… RL might have gone 1:56 if he had 🙂

easyspeed

@ASF: I see what you are saying. Phelps is the best 2IMer of all time so still have my money on him. That might be MP’s best event behind the 2 fly. Also, Ryan never does well at the Olympics due to the double taper. RL could put up the fastest time this year, but likely to get yet another silver behind Michael at the games.

Viva la Bang

11-time Olympic medalist (five gold, three silver, three bronze). His seven individual Olympic medals ranks near the top in men’s swimming.

Viva la Bang

Not a bad record for someone who never does well at the Olympics!

aswimfan

easyspeed,

I disagree with you about Ryan does not do well at the Olympics or extended taper.

no disrespect to MP, but the reason RL did not win that 200 IM in London was that he swam that wretched 200 back few minutes beforehand.
You could see the lonely swim down he did after that 200 back final. Her looked spent mentally if not physically.

You can find my comments in other swimming sites before London where I advocated RL to drop 200 back to maximize his chances in 200 IM. He just swam too many events in London. I had predicted he would not win 200 IM if he swam 200 back.

easyspeed

Relative to his level. 2012 was bad for Ryan with the exception of the 4IM. Had there not been a retaper RL might have duplicated his haul from Worlds 2011. Phelps had a relatively bad 2012 OG too, btw. Not as bad as Lochte tho. Word of the day: “relative” brought to you by Easyspeed 🙂

easyspeed

@a swim fan: the culprit was the retaper. RL did fine the year before at worlds, with a heavy schedule there.

easyspeed

True the back IM turnaround hurt the latter, but the back was bad too

easyspeed

In post Olympic interviews both in 2008 and 2012 Lochte was not happy with his performances, believing he did not do as well as he could have. I agree with his assessment.

aswimfan

easyspeed,

you totally forgot that in Shanghai RL didn’t have to swim ANYTHING before his 200 IM. ALL of his individual finals were spread out in different days. Also, in Shanghai he didn’t have to swim 400 IM on the first day, nor the three rounds of 200 free and 4×100 in the preceding daysl like he did in London.

That’s why right after learning about London schedule, I kept saying RL need to drop 200 back.

easyspeed

If you really want, I can post Ryan’s 2011 World times compared to his 2012 Olympic times. All slower except the 4IM. Any swimmer, regardless of the level, when you don’t get a best time or close to a best time, it’s considered a bad meet.

Let me repeat: the 2 back IM double hurt the IM. And the order of events and spacing were likely factors too. But the retaper was the biggest problem. But really, it’s all of these things, not either or.

However, to my original point: RL has not done as well in the Olympics as he could have. In 2011 we saw Ryan at his best. Too bad that Ryan didn’t show up in London past the first day….

aswimfan

Also, MP may be the greatest 200 IMer of all time, but it is RL who holds the WR, breaking his own shiny suit WR.

RL also broke the first textile WR in 200 IM after shiny suit years in 2010 when everybody expected shiny suit WRs to last for years.

easyspeed

Yup, Ryan is really darn good at the 200 IM. No argument from me there. And he took advantage of Michael’s hiatus from training and got the WR. But MP is still the better of the two in that event stroke per stroke. Rio will be exciting to watch since you will have the best two IMers at 100%. My crystal ball has MP with the gold tho for reasons stated.

aswimfan

if RL had problem with re-taper, how come it did not affect his 400 IM, which coincidently, he swam while being fresh?

Here’s RL’s schedule:

2011 Shanghai:
day 1: none
day 2: 200 free prelims and semi
day 3: 200 free final
day 4: 200 IM prelims and semi
day 5: 200 back prelims morning, 200 IM final in the first mens event, and then after that 200 back semi in the last mens event
day 6: 100 fly prelims, 200 back final as first mens event, 100 fly semi nicely in the middle, and then at the end of the evening 4×200
day 7: 100 fly final
day 8: 400 IM prelims and final

2011 Shanghai schedule was PERFECT for RL’s hefty swims, but London’s schedule was too front-loaded when he attempted to swim similar events, plus the addition of swimming 4×100 free (which he didn’t swim in Shanghai), and both 200 IM and back were at towards the end of his schedule. One year older, and with much worse schedule and extra swim, I had predicted he would not have been as successful.

easyspeed

You make a good point about the schedule, and I’m not disagreeing with you. But it is not as big of an issue as the double taper, IMO. Phelps swam a similar schedule and managed it in Beijing. Had Ryan not had to taper for trials I think he would have performed across the board better. And that back IM double had a low chance for success, taper issues aside. Tho I can see why he went for it. He was the defending 2 back champion and WR holder in the IM, hard to see dropping either. Strange his backstroke was first and he did worse in that compared to the IM; I expected the reverse.

As far as the 400 IM, Ryan didn’t completely miss his taper. But he didn’t get it right either. Same with Phelps. Both were attempting something very difficult; a big program like that is hard to pull off. Easier at worlds, but MP proved it could be done at the Olympics too. If things go right you can swim fast all week even with the schedule as it is.

aswimfan

I agree with you in that 2011 was RL was at his best. No argument from me.

But I did not think it was not realistic to expect RL to achieve the same achievements in London, as the schedule was much worse and he swam extra event (4×100 free) and when he was already one year older as well.

aswimfan

Well, I am not sure why you compare Phelps’ 2008 Beijing to 2012 RL when RL is even a year older than MP. It’s like comparing 2012 London MP to 2008 Beijing MP. It is absurd.

easyspeed

Age is not much of a factor in an athlete’s 20’s. MP did relatively worse in London due to his slacking off in training, not because of his age.

aswimfan

MP got worse in 2012 compared to 2008 because he got older and past his peak/best.

aswimfan

So easyspeed,

Now that it’s reported by his own coach Phelps is training as much and as hard as he did in 2007-2008, using your argument that age does not matter, should we expect him to produce the same result in 2016 Rio as he did in 2008 Beijing?

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