Rikke Pedersen, Paul Biedermann, Viktor Bromer Test Pace As Danish Open Concludes

Rikke Pedersen by Patrick B. Kraemer
Rikke Pedersen by Patrick B. Kraemer

World record holders Rikke Pedersen and Paul Biedermann tested their pace on the closing day at the Danish Open with respective wins of 2:24 in the 200m breaststroke and 1:47.37 in the 200m freestyle; European 200 ‘fly champion Viktor Bromer took the 100m in 53.09

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brian godman

The standards set for selection have been bizarre by any standards, as noticed by many; Ironical that my reading of the USA standards for Rio are not remotely at the level for GB.
In light of the fact that the USA are still the premiere power in swimming I cannot quite understand why the standards could not have been made more reasonabel and forget the 2% tolerance stuff.

aswimfan

Brian godman,
USA qualifying standards is the simplest of them all: finish 1 or 2 in FINA A, and you get to go (plus relay alternates).

GB is the most convoluted one, I think. And I agree, the 2% consideration stuff as well as other conditions only put the fate of the swimmers at the mercy of the selectors.

Yozhik

The simplest form of selection is not necessarily the optimal one. In most cases selectors will be more accurate in terms of maximum team’s outcome at Olympic Games than one meet sudden death selection process. Why do people assume here that British selectors are stupid corrupted administrators with limited knowledge of competitive sport, with interests that have nothing in common with interest of sport success and development in Bretain.
I don’t know much who British selectors are but when i read expressions like “to be at mercy of selectors” I unconsciously begin to think about Spanish Inquisition.

commonwombat

USA is the only country where:
(1) the spread of depth is such that two qualifiers are essentially guaranteed in every individual event AND
(2) where the competition in almost all events is such that 1-2 will be pushed to such times as to be contenders on the international stage

USOC & US Swimming are essentially unique these days in that they are not reliant on public sector funding which is contracting severely in most leading countries ….. and will only become ever more tighter.

The case for setting stringent standards is completely defensible and even the IOC/FINA are capping numbers. Having said that, GBR have made a total dogs breakfast of things both with some rather unrealistic standards and a selection document which frankly invites the very thing they are wishing to avoid; namely appeal proceedings.

Ger

“I didn’t expect the spanish inquisition.” 🙂

aswimfan

Yozhik,
No one is suggesting or even assuming the British selectors as corrupt and have no knowledge of competitive sports.

If you like, how about I change “at the mercy of” with “at the subjective decision of”, which is the most accurate description of it.

If USA Swimming employed the same GB qualifying system, there would have been some revolution in the land of the brave and the free.

Yozhik

That is exactly what I was thinking about. One of the advantage of American system is that it is cheap. No appeals, no anything. Straight face-off competition without any third party involved. And if the competition is deep, fair and well developed then it will automatically produce the optimal results. But of course the one meet selection process has its own issues.

Yozhik

Aswimfan, I didn’t mean to say anything offensive. I personally like the system when selection process is built on opinion of the group of professionals that are well paid, knowledgeable, have access to all details of swimmers’ training process and swimmers’ health conditions. When making decision they will used results of key-meets. But it would be one of many factors that they will consider. Such system will be perfect if selectors are respectful people who value their reputation. But it is expensive.

beachmouse

The land of liberty is also the land of lawsuits, and for a sport that is not a judged sport in the same way gymnastics or figure skating is, there is pressure from the USOC and internal USAS legal resources to make high level competition qualification as objective and straightforward as possible. If USAS had the same subjective selection criteria as France or the UK, unselected athletes would be filing lawsuits even as the official team was boarding the plane to Brazil. (See the mess and legal requests after Jessica Hardy was a late removal from the team in 2008)

And it’s also not technically- ‘Top 2 with FINA A times; top 6 for free relays’ because of team size cap limitations. It just always rolls down that far so the #6 athlete in 100/200 free gets to go because enough other athletes qualify in multiple events to stay under the cap.

Craig Lord

They’ll be having to watch those #6 in all relays this time, beachmouse … no sitting on the bench this time…

Rafael

Imagine this situation: Phelps/Lochte and Greevers do not get top 6 (Not Impossible to happen) and the coaches want them in.. What would be done? Leave number 6 home? Or hope that anyone from 3~6 gets an individual swim? If we saw at this week US competition, it would not be impossible that Feigen gets in..

beachmouse

I’m going through the latest version of the USAS selection criteria from January, 2016 that contains revisions based on the new FINA rules. Looks like they will take relay-only freestylers who have their FINA B times on a pace available basis and comply with the ‘must swim’ rule regardless of consequences.

It will be interesting to see just how tightly FINA intends to hold to ‘must swim’ given that it’s perfectly normal for every large squad to have someone come down with a legitimate Awful Illness after their flight goes wheels down at the event host city, and you don’t need someone in locker room or pool deck spreading a contagious norovirus to other competitors.

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