Morning Storm: Katie Ledecky Cracks Own World Record – 15:27.71 In 1500m Free Heats

Katie Ledecky - ok, I'll take that - by Patrick B. Kraemer

The heats of the 1500m freestyle for women is a workaday affair under normal circumstances but then there is nothing standard about Katie Ledecky: world record, 15:27.71, inside her own 15:28.36, set at the pan pacific Championships last year

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The heats of the 1500m freestyle for women is a workaday affair under normal circumstances but then there is nothing standard about Katie Ledecky: world record, 15:27.71, inside her own 15:28.36, set at the pan pacific Championships last year

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Graham Bell

Amazing. From the tactics in the 400 yesterday I thought maybe she’d been focussing on the 200 and pure speed recently – fair enough given the 400/800/1500 are pretty much all sewn up. Now this. Will be very interested to see if she swims the 1500 final as a gentle paddle to save energy for the 200s.

Wez

Craig, wouldn’t it just be fantastic if w saw a sub 15:20?

We would only need an average of 30.6 per lap.
From what I can count, she had 13 laps that were sub 31 seconds already.

A little bit of analysis shows that her 2nd and 3rd 200’s were the slowest of the lot, and her last 500 was quicker than her first.

Her first 750 was slower than her last 750m, and judging by the look on her face at the end of that race, she was no where near redlining that race, which seems like an odd statement giving that she achieved a WR.

Wez

Roy,

I acknowledge what you are saying, and I would be pleased to see a 15:20 and below.
She averaged 30.92 per 50 to achieve that World Record, and would have to maintain 30.6 to break 15:20.

I know that it is a lot of time to drop per 50, but I think it is safe to say that we cant really put a limit on what she is capable of at the moment.

One thing that I must just say, similar to what Michael Phelps said of the 200 fly and Medley, is that the woman’s 1500 has not really moved that much for the last 27 years.

Now, I know this may be hard to believe, seeing that Ledecky’s time is almost 25 seconds quicker than Janet Evans World record from 1988, but what I am getting at is that Janet Evans would still rank her 2nd from the times this AM.

I believe that she is doing the correct work to move that particular event forward, and she has done so, if you look at the results already from Barcelona in 2013.

Wez

** Lotte Friis has swum sub 15:40 as well, which was under the old world record of Katie Ziegler

Wez

@roy

Thanks for your post. I am inclined to disagree politely though.
I feel that if we were to break it down to that degree then we would need to consider finding a male with similar physical attributes ( lungs, arm span, foot size, flexibility, core strength relative to body size and weight, conditioning) and see what they were capable of doing.

My point is that KL is swimming faster than Steven Holland from Aus in 1975, which is only 13 years prior to Janet Evans’ out of this world swim in 1988. 3 years prior to that and Evans’ world record would have been the male WR.

Swimmers, be it male or female, adapt, learn, train smarter, harder, have more efficient strokes due to better technology etc.

An interesting point that may help you to see my point of view is this:

The ratio between the WR on the 50 free, compared to the average 50 from the World record 1500 is less for woman, meaning that as the distance increases, women tend to start performing at a better rate than males to.

Ger

1500 heat WR: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IqtHviGCzE

Craig Lord

It would be amazing, Wez – Tim Shaw, 1975.

Yozhik

It was very wise to do it in prelim. Tomorrow will be a tough day for her. She will swim (not race 🙂 ) for the win only

Yozhik

Roy what is the need to spoil the celebration of incredible world record with your insinuations about testosterone? Just to show everybody that you are educated and knowledgeable person. We already know that.
From Wiki I am reading “ …Evans was distinctive for her unorthodox “windmill” stroke and her APPARENTLY INEXHAUSTIBLE CARDIO-REPSIRATORY RESERVES ….” (my capitalization of font)
Oh, now everything is clear. Just some another mutant. In few words the entire aura of magic and amazing human feat was killed. Please, don’t do it with Katie. Leave for those who love her the moment of excitement.

Personal Best

She speaks with such maturity, such confidence… I like it. She seems unperturbed by it all… like it’s all so easy.
And maybe it is!

gheko

I think to suggest Katie’s records will never be broken is silly, she arrived in London as a 15 yr old and won the 800m free, was sensational but we have had lots of sensational distance swimmers over the years, No doubt Katie is ahead of her time but if the other girls start training as hard as she is they can be great too!

Yozhik

If a Chinese woman or woman of any nationality will swim so consistently well with proven record of 3 already years of unstoppable progress, then she will be treated with the same or even greater respect. Because she has beaten Legendary Amazing Ledecky.

Wez

@Roy,

the average time needed to go the current world record is 29.03.

if that was to change by just .1 of a second, it would take the mens 1500 down under 14:30.

some perspective: averaging 27.96 would get a male under 14 minutes, that’s just crazy.
So the average of the males 1500 is currently 1.89 seconds quicker every 50 meters, while over 200 meters it would be 2.72. This can be extrapolated either way, and you will notice a trend. The further the distance the less the difference.

It would be a cool experiment to see by way of linear graph just when those two lines would cross, perhaps i will do that one day.

Wez

@Roy,

I also think your assumption that if any other person (Chinese in your particular comment) had to do those kind of times, then they would be classed as dopers.

I think this is a little out of context. If there was a swimmer who had never been under 16 minutes, and all of a sudden went 15:25 for example, then yes, you would be right, it would raise a few eyebrows. But KL has consistently become a force to be reckoned with, and has made rapid, yet, progressive gains in the pool. This is a career that has been moulded for a while.

Yozhik

One of the major point of criticizing Ye Shiwen is that she has swum better than a man. Unless I see scientific study that proves that women are no match to men with the ability to force their reserves at the end of long hard races I will dismiss this argument as artificial. The fact that men are stronger than a women in average doesn’t necessary mean that they are able to be up to the top point of their capacity. For example, if women can utilize let say 85% of their reserves and men can do 45% only then men may not have advantage any more to the end of exhausting race. I also will ignore any accusations of Ye Shiwen unless some professional at PED science shows convincingly explains me that similar effect can be achieved by administrating such and such drugs following such and such procedure. So far there were no doping cases that demonstrated similar pattern. If one want to make case against Ledecky then forget about her hear line, voice and other nonsense. Just look at the splits of her world record at 800. Ye Shiwen splits is no match to this craziness. It looks like her body was so excited that she even didn’t know how to manage it. She was never again at such state. I can submit splits if you need. The charting should be done by yourself.

Yozhik

Roy what I asked for was bagging not to start such discussion today. Let’s do it when the Championships ends.
With all respect, Yozhik

Wez

@Roy,

I hear what you are saying, and I understand it aswell. Perhaps Craig can provide a timeline in which KL improved her swims.

What I also do know is that there can be big drops. If your best time was 16:30 on a 1500, and you dropped to 16:00, I can accept that, because all it is going from holding 33’s to 32s. This seems reasonable for a World Class Athlete (or one on their way to being one) especially if it happened while the swimmer was starting to peak.

But, and I know it is so grammatically incorrect to start a sentence with the word, for someone to just swim 1500 in 15:27 is a different story.

Yozhik

Your opinion is your opinion. It is still not a fact and therefore I have neither power no desire to influence it. Ledecky’s raise at her 15 looks no different to me than Shane Gould’s five world records from 100 to 1500 at age 15. When I was trying to comprehend such phenomenon and to find some explanation I was firmly explained by Craig and Co. that Shane was a bright exceptional Star on Australian sky and it would be better not to question her legacy. That is what I am doing now – questioning only if I have facts but not suppositions. That is what I recommend everybody as well.

gheko

Yes and Jenny Turrall from Australia and Sally Lockyer both were 13 and 14 and pushing each other to world records in 1973/74 were from the same coach as Shane Gould, as was Karen Moras, Forbes Carlile, God knows what Shane would have swum in distance freestyle had she not retired at 16, but by then she had lost all motivation for swimming!

Yozhik

People are different, Roy and so are there preferences. When I read Aswimfan’s comments related to Sun Young I feel (maybe mistakenly) his strong general dislike that goes far beyond Sun’s case. It could be simply because he resides in Indonesia. I don’t care actually. It’s his feelings that he for some reason wants to share.
I was very disappointed last year about making Katinka a swimmer of the year because her medals from low level meets were no match to my opinion to what was shown by Sjostrom and Ledecky. This year I completely change my attitude toward her. And not because of WR. She showed a new way in professional swimming that deserves respect. So again, Roy don’t make judgment without having facts to support it.

Yozhik

Ok, great. Let’s enjoy together the rest of the Championships. Each new day promises something extraordinary. And I do want to see someone approaching Ledecky’s time. And let it be a Chinese girl 🙂

aswimfan

Yozhik,

Your assumption about me disliking Sun Yang beyond his PED use is totally incorrect. Next time, I request you not to offer your presumption about me. Thank you.

If you followed swimming 4 years ago, you would have known that I defended Shiwen tooth and nail in several swimming websites right after she got attacked after her 400 IM gold.

You can even search this website, last year or two years ago I had strong arguments with Craig Lord when I defended Shiwen.

Also before Sun Yang doping scandal surfaced, he was my favorite to break Thorpe’s 400 textile record. What I said is all on records in this websites and several other swimming websites.

I still give Shiwen the benefit of the doubt before any positive test.

I thought the chinese have cleaned up their act after their 90s doping regime. But Yang’s doping scandal (not only the use of TMZ, but the cover up, the retroactive short silent ban, the audacity of sending dr. Zhen to Asian Games, etc) really made me disillusioned.

aswimfan

Also,

What the hell does the fact that I am located in Indonesia got to do with my opinion of Yang’s PED use?

Would you like it if I make presumption about you based on the fact that you are located in USA?

Yozhik

No problem Aswimfan. Your request will be honored and you will never again know how your intense comments about Chinese establishments can be read by people like Yozhik. Some people don’t care about feedback, some do. I can be wrong but it looks to me that it was Chinese organization that caught Sun Young on doping and it was Chinese media that made this information publicly available. When I read you posts I was surprised by such level of generalization, spreading Sun’s guilt so widely. So I presumed that it should be something more that feeds such strong feelings. Got damn it. I am presuming again. Sorry. No presumptions from this point farther.

Craig Lord

Yozhik, I think you are too kind to those who orchestrated events in 2014. There was calculation in the mix and that is not opinion arrived at only through past experience with China and doping – even FINA confirmed that China had sought to impose no penalty. Chinese swimming was forced to find the explanation when in truth it would have preferred never to have to have given one. Chinada – there are lots of good, honest folk in China working well on anti-doping just as there are those doing the opposite – may well have reported the case but some key folk wanted to and did suppress it well beyond correct procedure. The Xinhua report that revealed the news was not like the ARD documentaries on Russia and the subsequent Sunday Times discoveries on blood doping. This was not investigative journalism. It was a news ‘statement’ of sorts. The Xinhua take made it to the world because it was no longer going to be possible to contain it and control it. Chinada was held up as the party to blame. The mind of mascarade was never far away.

Yozhik

Craig, it is too late at my place and I am really tired. If it is ok with you I am not going to continue this dispute since I am in no way an expert neither with doping problem in sport nor with politics in sport. Most of my knowledge in these areas comes from this site. I never run independent research and never have a chance to hear arguments of other side. So I am accepting your view and your interpretation of events. I trust your reputation and believe in what you are saying especially after being flattered by your recognition of my exceptional kindness 🙂
We had three outstanding World Records today. Let’s focus on something that is pleasant, please.

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