M400 Free: Sun Yang* Wins After James Guy Rattles His Cage; Bronze For Ryan Cochrane

Stroke for stroke: Sun Yang stares into the face of an adversary who has a clean record in swimming - by Patrick B. Kraemer

Sun Yang*, towing an asterisk of doubt and doping with him, claimed his first world title since serving a three-month ban insert last year. James Guy, of Britain, and Ryan Cochrane, of Canada, who followed the Olympic champion on to the podium today, may well feel like they are holding the wrong colour in their hands as they celebrate their achievements. And Connor Jaeger (USA), too, might wonder: no me

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Sun Yang*, towing an asterisk of doubt and doping with him, claimed his first world title since serving a three-month ban insert last year. James Guy, of Britain, and Ryan Cochrane, of Canada, who followed the Olympic champion on to the podium today, may well feel like they are holding the wrong colour in their hands as they celebrate their achievements. And Connor Jaeger (USA), too, might wonder: no me

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aswimfan

“It is a lack of respect.”

Seriously, Sun?

How about the copious lack of respect that the chinese officials gave to the world by sending you and Dr. Ba Zhen to Incheon?

aswimfan

Anyway, Thorpe’s 3:40.08 survived another day.

For the longest time, I was hoping Sun to finally erase Biedermann’s mark and legitimately bring the WR under 3:40

But now, not so much.

The men 400 (and 200) have been stagnant for quite sometime. I am waiting for the next generation to continue the progression, as I have lost faith in the current one.

for33

I’m very happy for James Guy and Ryan Cochrane. Impressive year to year progress from Mr. Guy. I agree with the poster aswimfan that the winning times of the 200-400-800 m male freestyle races have been stagnant for quite some time.

Commenter

Sun yang may win the gold year after year but he loses every time in respect. I know which one is prefer.

Yozhik

I heard it first from my grandpa, then from my father and now I am saying it by myself – yes ,everything was better when we were young and next generations are just a mockery of those ones that were before 🙂 🙂 Get two shots, have a good sleep and you will be ok next morning 🙂 Life is still good. Enjoy the completion it is not boring so far and full of surprises.

Eugene

Finally! Asterisks in news titles! ? Let’s also put ***** on all his photos. Or, even better, make him get an asterisk tattoo on his forehead.

SY is right. Blaming him here and comparing to “good and clean” athletes is not much better practice than taking drugs. I wouldn’t do it and I wouldn’t judge people like that officialy in online magazine. And I’ll laugh really hard if Guy or Cochraine or anyone else mentioned here is tested positive in near future as well (but they won’t, of course). We just cannot be sure of anyone’s cleanness except for our own. Noone will tell you about this experience even if it was done once many years ago. Being nice guy and having good parents doesn’t mean being 100% clean since the beginning of the career.

Yozhik

Eugene, what city are you from?

Yozhik

Eugene, what makes this site different from similar blogs is that you are allowed to post here not just your comments but extended opinion. So please, value it and show some courtesy to those who runs this site. You definitely have some preferences and opinion on what is right and what is wrong. Preferences that may base on your own experience. Same, some preferences and tendencies can be easily observed in the way how the editor presents his material. Those preferences most likely are coming from his life experience as well. So why not to respect his rights for doing what he is doing. If you don’t like him then go to another swimming blog and put your comments about Craig’s style. Do you know how many people will be interested to read such your post? Be sure – none.

Chris Dolan

Shame that this has come up after a great first night with some very fast swimming including a world record.
I don’t think he is a gracious person I have never liked all the shouting and screaming he does when he wins. I don’t think it is the actual substance for me which has been the problem its the fact that nothing had been announced and he served his time in secret and that FINA have just let it go.
The lack of contrition is disappointing, if he had made an honest mistake an apology would have helped.

bkkang Kang

Wow ! He has done it yet, he won strategically conserving energy for 200M.
Eastern philosophy says good merits bears good karma thus good fruits and ill thoughts bear bad karma thus failure ***The Chinese women swimmer veteran Shao Yiwen and younger generation is considered weak if we compared to Ledecky and Co, surely with the same methods of training and “‘ingestion of endurance pill TMZ ” that is “systemized” or “patented ” by SY ‘s cohorts will produce comparable performance to their female counterparts but ****non!!! The media in Australia once “crucified SY ” during his stints of training there that is bad karma and so it bears fruit today!

jim lockier

Wow, a lack of respect? How about the lack of respect Sun’s displaying with his “outrage” to the young victims of Brian King. How about the lack of respect shown by the Chinese and FINA ignoring SAL’s ban? Brian King clearly seen in news coverage sitting with the Chinese athletes (don’t you need accreditation to do that?). A drug cheat and a banned coach. What a perfect match. No surprise with his outburst; look who his “mentor” is. Two peas in a pod. They lack the insight to realise they are not victims.

aswimfan

Yozhik,

I agree with you. In this site, my comments and opinions are allowed to surface automatically ..well these days atleast lol. And if later they get edited or deleted, at least Craig provided understandable reasons.

In some other site, even though I had written thousands of comments in a number of years, my comments were still screened/moderated, even though ironically the site claimed they are open to all opinions.

aswimfan

“As athletes, we are working very hard and of course, there are times when get injured and sometimes we take things we don’t know about and it’s a genuine mistake,”

http://www.straitstimes.com/sport/swimming-sun-yang-hits-out-at-doping-coverage-after-retaining-400m-world-title

INJURED?
I thought it was a genetically-caused heart condition?

So which one is it, Yang?

The more you open your mouth, the better it gets.

aswimfan

bkkang,

Maybe Shao Yiwen and co didn’t get as much wonderful injections as Yuan Yuan, Dai Guohong etc did?
Or maybe, as eastern philosophy dictates, the current weak chinese women is a result of the bad karma from the bad deeds done by the previous chinese female swimmers?

bkkang Kang

Sun Yang is probably referring to universally dedicated athletes like Miss Palmer and Park Tae Hwan and others. SY’s heart condition of whether is genetic flaw or taking once non banned TMZ prior 2014 as as a remedy for common viral heart infection is not his fault to stay competitive and alive. I take cough syrup as medication others take stronger one it to get “high” but I am no doper.

bkkang Kang

Aswimfan,

You are creating bad karma for having deviant thoughts about others which is bad for yourself and betraying the true spirit of sportsmanship. The truth will always prevail and fruition will be realized.

Craig Lord

bkkang Kang, I believe that there are quite a few people who believe your thoughts to be ‘deviant’ if anything… so I’d take care of your own Karma if I were you and worry less about what you cannot control, just like the athletes who race clean have to when knowing the man in the next lane might not be quite the person they imagined him to be

Craig Lord

You don’t have to do it Eugene and you’re not doing it – not your website. There are ALOT more reasons to believe some of these athletes are racing clean that ‘nice guy and good parents’. As I said before, we get it, you excuse what is wrong because you think they’re all doing it. I disagree.

bkkang Kang

Craig Lord

Why there is an article recently blogged under “roar.au.com” says TMZ is being downgraded and no longer prohibited in competition as of January, 2015. Please enlighten?

bkkang Kang

Craig Lord

The article ” can doping ever be a mistake” 26/3/2015 by roar.au.com

Craig Lord

It is not true, Bkkang. The substance has been shifted to a different (and serious) category… it has not been downgraded. You can find it in the WADA Code and look up WADA’s announcements on it.

aswimfan

Bkkang,

your source is false.
In any case, Trimetazidine was actually upgraded from only “prohibited only during competition” (S6. Stimulants) to “prohibited at all times” (S4. Hormone and Metabolic Modulators)

http://www.fina.org/H2O/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2547&Itemid=1210

This shows that WADA finally realized that athletes used TMZ for training.

bkkang Kang

Quite true Craig, as a medication or as an “enhancer” in training that is the moral of story. We are not cardiologists and nor his personal physician, only based on assumptions and unreliable sources to form opinion is not being professional and not justifiable to SY assuming he is a patient and also ill advised determined athlete. Whether the medication is long term or only being given due to signs of heart problem we don’t know! More time is needed to assess this questionable presumption* using TMZ for training purposes after all the road to Rio and the results thereafter will prove certain facts.

Eugene

Yozhik, this website is great and I appreciate all the work that is done by its authors. Actually, it’s the only resource about swimming that I’m following except for our national swimming federation’s website. Of course, I don’t want to leave it just because I disagree with somebody on some topic. SY has been tested positive. Okay, everybody should know about that and SwimVortex did good job letting us know the details. I just don’t get the point why repeat it over and over again. So many posts put SY to shame here. There are hidden dopers for sure in this championships and no one is accused, while Sun gets all the “attention” for that minor substance he used (it’s not powerful at all, give that Trimetazidine to all the others and they still won’t catch him in 400/800/1500). It’s not fair.
P. S. I’m from Kiev.

Craig, but believing or not in someone’s cleanness doesn’t guarantee anything. Some people believe in God, others don’t, and no one knows the truth (even if they think they do). I believe that everyone in such level is at least slightly enhanced by pharmacology. But I CAN’T be 100% sure because I didn’t see how this or that athlete does the injections or swallows pills with my own eyes. So in reality both 8 or 0 participants can be clean in the final swim regardless of my beliefs. Let’s imagine that in that 400 free final 3 more athletes besides Sun used banned drugs (and not minor ones like he did) in preparation but managed to hide its traces. It’s like scolding a kid who stole a candy in front of latent thieves, rapists and killers. Assuming this situation as quite possible, I think it’s better to be a bit more neutral here.
But you’re completely right – it’s not my blog and it’s not me who decides what to post, so never mind.

aswimfan

bkkang,

we all never knew if SY used TMZ as training aid or he did have heart condition.

However, your argument that SY is still swimming fast post TMZ as proof that he didn’t use TMZ as training aid is false and illogical.

If you can’t understand why, then there’s little I can help you with.

But here’s an illustration:
Aleksandra Gerasimenya was banned for two years for having tested positive to steroid norandrosterone.
Upon her return, she actually swam faster than ever, culminating in 2011 Shanghai golds and 2012 London silvers.
Using your logic, we must assume that steroid had no effect on Herasimenya performance at all.

By the way, all and every single swimmer who tested positive to banned substance a

aswimfan

By the way, all and every single swimmer who tested positive to banned substances and are swimming in Kazan actually swam faster post their ban/warning, ie. Cielo, Efimova, Hardy etc.

Or if you like examples from track and field like Roy does, there’s Justin Gatlin who is actually running faster than when he was on steroid.

bkkang Kang

That is myopic to equate TMZ to anabolic steriod (synthetic testosterone) or hormonal groupings. Steroids have been scientifically used by desperado for muscle building, power strength and enhance body recovery. Human growth hormone are being used to increase strength , energy level and anti-aging process. EPO or blood doping is being used or abused in endurance sports, By the way , Cielo aftermath 2011, is on downhill mode compared to his fabulous WC 2009 WR 100M freestyle. Today Cielo hardly qualified in 50M Fly semis forget about 100M free. Please be analytical and factual in your post and don’t argue for the sake of arguing. Enlighten us with your intellect.

bkkang Kang

There is an interesting article on SW swimmingworld magazine on SY ” Sun Yang doping case: Chapter Two Of An Olympic Champion ” December 2,2014.

Mark Painting

Craig is absolutely right to harp on about Sun Yang, and put an asterix next to his name. Unfortunately many other journalists aren’t brave enough to continually highlight the issue. The Sunday Times Journalist (David Walsh) who pestered and annoyed Lance Armstrong for over a decade was eventually vindicated, but endured 10 years of persecution at the hands of the biggest doper the world has ever seen. SY deserves everything that he gets. BTW his excuse about making a mistake after taking something for a (heart) injury are just laughable.

MP

Eugene, you keep going on and on and on that everyone is doped, according to your belief. That puts all swimmers on the same level. Doped, ex doped, future doped, clean, not so clean etc. Thanks for making me aware that someone I thought I know quite well, is also doped. Fool me! There I thought he was clean! So silly of me. I am so very gullible…

MP

Sorry, I meant someone I thought I knew quite well…

Eugene

bkkang Kang, agree – comparing that Trimetablahblahblah to steroids or growth hormone is ridiculous. I mean that the difference between clean athlete and the one on roids is huge, while you won’t notice any in case of TMZ. It’s more like vitamins than doping in terms of performance 🙂

MP, I don’t force my beliefs on you, so calm down please.
P.S. MP? Is it you, Michael? 🙂

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