M200 ‘Fly: Laszlo Cseh Splits ‘The Alien’ & The ‘Phelps Slayer’ With All-Time No2 1:52.91CR

Laszlo Cseh of Hungary  on the way from world champion to Olympic gold contender via the European crown - by Patrick B. Kraemer
Laszlo Cseh of Hungary on the way from world champion to Olympic gold contender via the European crown - by Patrick B. Kraemer

Not the 1:51.51 of “The Alien” in shiny suit, nor the stunning 1:52.09 of the same man, Michael Phelps, for the 2007 world crown, but at 1:52.91 Laszlo Cseh, 30, became only the second man in history inside 1:53 in textile suit for the European title in a championship record.

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kevin roose

Wow 1:52:91 it will be interesting to see Hagino time in the Japan open this weekend to compare although in heavy workload……the challenge now in front of Phelps at the Nationals

felix

Maybe you mean Seto. Hagino not a 200flier. Seto won’t go under 1.54 this weekend nor will he will medal in that in Rio

Felix Sanchez

Amazing swim!

Almost think he should have kept his powder dry instead of motivating his rivals for Rio.

felix

Yes I agree Sanchez, keep quiet, Phelps and le Clos will be fired up enough

Ger

Mind games maybe. The hungarian team seems well prepared for this meet; far from his best at 1:52.9 sounds very far fetched. But we will wait and see.

aswimfan

Not sure where kevin roose got all his info from.
Definitely not from swimvortex.

aswimfan

The women 4×200 results have not changed my current prediction for Rio:
USA – CHN – AUS in that order.
The only euro country which may get in the medal mix is Sweden, but ONLY IF all of their four swimmers swim their PBs.

Felix Sanchez

Phelps’ 2015 swim is missing from the textile performances list.

Felix Sanchez

Agreed that no European team looks to have enough depth to challenge on the 4×200.

commonwombat

Re W4X200, whilst its realistic to think that at least some of these Euro teams will improve by 2-4sec in Rio; none of them convince as particular medal favourites.

Having said that; once you go past USA (prohibitive favourites) and CHN (the only team likely to be within daylight) you may as well hold a chook raffle for bronze. AUS falls away too much after McKeon & Barratt with the others really only up for 1.57 splits …. on a good day. Whilst that MAY be enough for a bronze medal, it sure as hell doesn’t cry out medal certainty.

Craig Lord

He wore a fur coat, felix S, so I hesitated 🙂 Now there.

kevin roose

Apologies i did mean Seto thanks Felix ……

kevin roose

The Australian 4 x 200 free in Kazan was led off by Barratt and brought home by Mckeon and failed to medal with Neale and Ashwood in the middle ….Madeline Groves likely to be the only change .
There is some talk in Australia about Cate Campbell possibly doing the relay how much sustance to that i dont know .

commonwombat

C2 has never swam the 200free seriously, and has only entered in some domestic competitions as a means of putting in a time trial for the 100.

McKeon swam a belter 200 at AUS Trials and that most certainly is a positive. Barratt is someone who is completely unpredictable when it comes to international competition. Her previous 2 Olympics were good and her domestic times have been good but you just never know if you’ll get “good Bronte” (which is very good indeed) or @$%^&@& awful Bronte.

The fact is that that it falls away massively beyond them.
– Neale’s international record is not exactly stellar
– this distance is probably too short for Ashwood and 1.58 is probably as good as it gets
– Cook is a 1.58flat swimmer. Maybe she can step up but this is her first senior meet.
– Groves is a tick under 1.58. Her international performance record is not one that exactly inspires confidence.

Maybe these other legs WILL step up; indeed we can hope that they do but as it stands, this AUS relay is probably in amongst a ruck of teams squabbling over the last spot on the dias whereas 2 years ago, they were clear 2nd money to the Americans and the only real competition.

Yozhik

Everybody calls American W4x200 team a prohibitive favorite. But with exception of Ledecky an Smith who improved their personal best at 200 other big guns are not in rush to make their fans calm. To have strong #1 and good #4 is not enough for the gold. Franklin is suspiciously quiet at everything this season. Remembering that she may not focus on individual 200 at all I am beginning to worry. Schmitt is very unpredictable. She skips many big meets making hard to have some opinion on how stable her performance can be. As of today Chinese team is leading on papers.

felix

Yozhik USA will obliterate them

commonwombat

Sorry, Yozhik but no one else is really near them. Ledecky looks to be the one who will drop a “stormer” leg and that is likely to be 1.53. The only other team who is likely to have a leg anywhere near that is SWE and they just haven’t the depth beyond Sjostrom & Coleman.

Schmitt has at least dropped in a 1.56 this year so its reasonable to think she’ll be 1.55ish. Franklin was 1.56mid in December, we have nothing since of note but its doubtful her leg would be worse than something in the 1.56s. They’re likely to have some 1.56/1.57s at Trials and its unlikely their weakest leg is likely to be worse than 1.57s.

CHN may, indeed, be more even in performance than US but they lack a real “gun”. Their best are 1.55high which will equate to a 1.55flat/low at best and that’s likely to be no advance on the 2nd best American and giving away a significant gap to Ledecky’s split. Their 3rd/4th legs aren’t likely to be any better than the weakest American.

kevin roose

Australia have every chance with Mckeon final leg doing a 1.53 but alas dont have the depth to win gold

aswimfan

Yozhik,
You may try to downplay USA chances in W 4×200, but as felix in the above said: USA will obliterate all of them.
With Ledecky at 1:53,Franklin at 1:55 flat and two other swimmers at at least 1:56, that should be enough to break the WR.

As for Australia, don’t forget that Elmslie will be in Rio. She went PB in the 100 at the trials but she didn’t swim the 200 free final. She definitely can split 1:56, and also don’t forget that Evans is in the team as well. Basically Australia has several 1:57 swimmers to choose from for their 4th swimmer. Not great compared to USA and China, but faster than the fourth swimmer of the rest of the countries.

As for roose’s wishful thinking that mckeon splitting 1:53, very unlikely.

commonwombat

ASF, completely agree that USA would really have to break not to win this.

With regards to AUS, it will depend on whether they’ve asked Elmslie to do any 200 work with regards to this relay. Whilst Evans may have been part of this relay some years back, I haven’t noted her swimming any FS during the AUS season so that option may or may not be in play.

If those 1.58 swimmers can split 1.57 then well and good, that will help but will Barratt split 1.55 …or 1.57 ? Either are very likely scenarios. McKeon splitting a 1.53 ….. that’s a very optimistic scenario. A 1.54 split is the most likely best case.

It may be a case that this is a relay that is not particularly prioritised and if they medal then that will be a bonus. I just see them in amongst the rugby scrum scrapping for the last spot on the podium. Very much in the mix but not demonstrably in advance of that pack.

Yozhik

I don’t downgrade anything. The Chinese team is leading by about one second. Schmitt and Franklin combined are slower than last season by about 2.5 seconds. Ledecky is expected to be 0.3-0.5 seconds faster than she was in Austin. So there should be no worry if everybody swims at least as they were capable to do during last nine months. Even if Chinese are superb at exchange with the rt=0 the Americans on paper will still have significant advantage. But I don’t understand what Franklin is doing. Everybody of her caliber made already some statements this season and not necessarily at trials. Whatever i’ve seen about Franklin so far is inability for raw speed even for short distance. If it is a result of her way of training then I hope that she and her coach know what they are doing. Her 100 back and free are terrible. She hasn’t completed last Arena meet. She is a pro now and needs better publicity. Can anybody predict responsibly at this point what can be expected from her and what her potentials are now. I think nobody will do it and this fact bothers me. What has happened to Schmitt after London can come back without warning. She skipped several big meets where she was originally scheduled. No explanations were given. Why? Both Franklin and Schmitt had some period of difficulties. Was it just some one point in their swimming career that has been left behind already or we are witnessing some process in development. It would be nice of them to give some slight hint of what can be expected from them in Rio. And please, don’t repeat that Franklin can deliver when it matters most. It can be still true, but it didn’t happen in Kazan.

aswimfan

Yozhik,
my prediction for Franklin in Omaha: 1:55 mid to high in the 200 free and 2:05 mid in the 200 back.

kevin roose

Felix you were right Seto didnt go under 1:54 Japanese Open but wasnt far away at 1:54:14…

Robbos

W4x200 is one of the most solid golds with Ledecky & this is without seeing what Ledecky can do in RIO. I’m expecting a big PB on the 200 with her.
As for the Aussies, we only have 2 decent swimmers & hoping for others Elmslie doing the work for the 200 after her illness, Coutts, Evans & Groves trying to hold the 4th position.
However, McKeon is on the improve, a 1.54.8 in the trials, I expect improvement, so a relay spilt in the 1.53 is not out of the realms of possibility. I expect McKeon to challenge the 2nd American for Bronze or even silver, pending Sjostrom’s choices in RIo for the 200.

kevin roose

Aswimfan on what basis are you predicting those times from Franklin she has shown nothing in the last 12 months to suggest that …while i think she is capable to go out and state that will happen is rediculous

aswimfan

kevin roose,

In Kazan, Missy swam 1:55mid and 2:06low. Mind you, this happened only after a couple of months back training with Todd Scmitz at altitude following two years of college swimming.
Add one year of uninterrupted training with Scmitz at altitude, and 1:55low to mid and 2:05mid is pretty conservative.

aswimfan

kevin roose,
Did I say those times will happen?
No.
Did I say there were my predictions?
yes.
And why did I offer my predictions?
Because Yozhik asked for it from anyone who cares to do so. “Can anybody predict responsibly at this point what can be expected from her and what her potentials are now”

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