M1500 Freestyle: Sun Down – Italy’s First Gold Over 30 Laps To Gregorio Paltrinieri ER

(L-R) Gregorio Paltrinieri of Italy celebrates as Connor Jaeger, silver medallist, looks on - by Patrick B. Kraemer

Sun Yang* was a no show at his blocks – according to Chinese media reports, the defending champion said he was experiencing “physical discomfort” in warm-up. It was so close to call to call room that there was no time to make sure his lane could be filled, the reports suggest. The title would pass. And so it did, Gregorio Paltrinieri (ITA) became the first Italian in history to claim 1500m gold – and he did it in European-record time of 14:39.67. Chasing him home to silver was Connor Jaeger, of the USA, in 14:41.20, the bronze for Ryan Cochrane (CAN) in 14:51.08 following three silvers in 2009, 2011 and 2013.

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AvantSwim

Some talk of a physical altercation between Sun and a Brazilian female swimmer on another website.

ThereaLuigi

I cant wait to know what really happened

KeithM

I’ll be willing to wait longer if it means we get a clearer more accurate account of what occurred.

aswimfan

This whole thing about Yang MIA is very sketchy.

on another point, Horton should kick his bottom all the way to tasmania as 14:51 is enough for bronze.

Eugene

Russian commentators on Eurosport also told that SY punched with his fist (!) some Brazilian girl in a warm up pool. Let’s wait for some more reliable proof, but if it’s true, I wish he will be DQ’d for life. This time it’s much more severe case than minor drug offence.

aswimfan

So, is it illness or is it altercation?

Or the illness excuse was used as a cover up?

or no altercation but SY indeed had fatally acute illness?

All alternatives do not sound good at all… and that’s an understatement.

I hope someone will get to the bottom of this.

AvantSwim

Sounds like it might be an instance of overreaction and editorial conspiracy theorizing on the part of above mentioned website: Brazil confirms an altercation in the morning session, but denies this has any relation to Sun’s absence in the 1500m final.

Regardless, once again it’s not just Sun Yang’s swimming results that garner such attention.

gheko

Sun male swimmer of the meet, after 2 gold and 1 silver, FINA what are you thinking??

Fabio Massuia

Sorry, this website is in portuguese (http://globoesporte.globo.com/natacao/noticia/2015/08/recordista-mundial-dos-1500m-chines-nao-aparece-para-final-da-prova.html), but the news tell us that Sun Yang grabbed a leg of a brazilian swimmer during the morning session. After that the brazilian confederation did a formal complaint to FINA. As per Alberto Silva (head coach of brazilian team) he had support from others teams.

ThereaLuigi

Forget the story of the altercation, it is unrelated.
Just one question for the experts: is this considered a “scratch” or a disqualification?

ThereaLuigi

Forget the story of the altercation, it is unrelated.

Just one question for the experts: is this considered a “scratch” or a disqualification?

aswimfan

gheko,

Are you kidding me?
Is it official?
Larkin’s golds are much closer to textile records. Sun Yang’s winning times are far from textile records…

Ger

With you there aswimfan, Larkin for me. Who was woman swimmer of the meet? Anyone hear?

gheko

Yes saw the presentation, Katie looked quite uncomfortable, and the FINA representative was all over him with hugs! lol

gheko

Katie won the womens!

Ger

Cheers gheko, at least they got it half right but they have insulted the male swimmers.

gheko

Either Mitch or Adam for mine!

Ger

So Sun was interviewed after the ceremony and said he felt chest pain after the 800, but still swam 1500 heat. Today, he had the pain again so pulled out. He could not say at what time this occurred.

Felix Sanchez

I wasn’t surprised to hear Paltrinieri’s comments. He did seem to be affected by Sun’s withdrawal and Cochrane’s fast start: first unsure of his tactics, then building his pace a bit earlier than planned. I thought he could have challenged or beaten 14.35 if really focused on waring down Sun.

ThereaLuigi

Wait a sec, are you saying he showed up for a presentation a few minutes after the final he missed?

Re Thomas

Larkin for Male swimmer no question. Maybe if laszlo had won the 100 fly it would be close. But Larkin was the best.

Ger

ThereaLuigi: Yes, he held a press conference after the presentation.

Chris Dolan

I would not have picked Sun Yang that’s for sure for a number of reasons failed drug test, not turning up for the race, he’s a terrible role model. I probably have gone for Larkin as he won gold’s in Olympic events over Peaty.
Ledecky an obvious choice by Hosszu and Sjostrom both been great. Those are my top three over any of the males.

Ger

Twitter is lit up with the ire of a lot of the swimming community. This is a very unpopular decision.

Craig Lord

No world record … no champs rec either… that tips the balance in Peaty’s favour, Re Thomas; 2 gold, 2 WRs (one a mixed inaugural thing…)

charlie maigne

Peaty definitely deserved it more. I would have been okay with Larkin or Manadou.. Heck, I even prefer Lochte, Laszlo or Le Clos than him… So many questions with him and his career TBH

for33

Perhaps in selecting the swimmer of the meet the emphasis should be put on the swimmers that demonstrated the most progress in their times, scaled in such a way that makes all swimmers comparable. Mr. Larkin, Mr. Cseh, Mr. Peaty, Mr. Le Closs (and many others) improved their times. I’m not sure about Mr. Manadou. But most definitely Mr. Sun did not improve in any of his performances. There is already an over-emphasis on winning; at least one of the recognitions to swimmers should focus on their progress!

aswimfan

for 33,

Manaudou also set PBs in both 50 free (textile world record) and 50 fly.

Lennart van Haaften

“perhaps he was afraid to take us on”

That’s not very classy by Paltrinieri given the circumstances. That said, I think Paltrinieri would have beaten Sun. Next year will be very interesting, assuming everyone participates.

Craig Lord

at the time he spoke, GP cannot have known the circumstances, Lennart

Lennart van Haaften

True Craig, but that’s even more reason to be cautious. People don’t usually withdraw from WC finals so Paltrinieri could have known there would be a serious reason. Maybe I’m reading too much in the quote but it just seems like a poor ‘joke’.

Chris Dolan

If Sun Yang had a heart problem why did he not go to hospital and why did they not declare it to let the reserve swim?

So many questions about this guy, I gather that he has had a condition for all of his career and has to declare everything he take to Wada. But that does not excuse his erratic behaviour and temper which makes one question his results.

aswimfan

I agree with Chris Dolan,

Anyone would have killed to be on a world championships final.

For Sun Yang to throw away such spot because he complained of a chest pain but no doctor or medical check up is very very sketchy to say the least. Also, immediately when it was known that Sun Yang was not in the call room, everyone was looking for him, and even the chinese officials had no idea where he was. This is beyond ridiculous. Beyond a joke.

I don’t believe for a second what this Sun Yang has claimed, especially since he has not trouble decking girls half his size.

h2tk

Listen, this altercation in the warm-up pool (or not) is a red-herring.

To not turn up to a final or not tell anyone that you are not going to swim in enough time to get the reserve to fill the lane, is plain disgraceful. This is nothing short of arrogance in the extreme, and to fill the media up with all sorts of excuses, and not one mention of an apology to Pal Joensen, let alone the world swimming community at large, is breathtaking. This disgraceful behaviour alone should have stripped him of any award and slapped a huge fine on the Chinese Federation.

But if there was any doubt what power brokers FINA really answers to, then the extraordinary obsequious display by Maglione when awarding Sun Yang with the top male award raised more than one eyebrow, I am sure – the fawning over this swimmer who FINA thinks is untouchable and can serve a doping ban in secret.

This whole debacle is nothing more than the proverbial two fingers up to anyone that believes in fair play, good sportmanship, and even just plan good manners.

greatkk

If Sun entered the final, he could get the bronze at least according to his latest performance. But it’s not easy to win the gold. I guess he would give up 1500 freestyle in the future, if his heart has problem. It’s a pity for his rivals, they would have no chance to beat him.

greatkk

About this incident, which is called by the Brazilian swim officials, I got another story from the latest interview with Sun Yang in a sports channel of China. The Brazilian swimmer wore fins and dive breather pipe in the crowded warm-up pool that time, which is said not to be allowed, it seems the fin hit Sun when he went by the girl, so he pulled off her fin and said something accusing to her. I guess the big guy’s poor English didn’t work well on the Brazilian. Most Brazilian are proud of their hot temper. I think Sun behaved like a child, not a gentleman at least. But I also don’t like so many rumors around.

Craig Lord

great – thanks – that’s been covered in other comments – the incident happened in the morning, during the meet, when the warm-up pool is used for dual purpose and is also designated for ‘training’ not just warmup. Your other comment is not approved: I have searched through the tweets of the said swimmer and there is no such reference; your assessment of why a particular swim might not have stacked up is ludicrously silly and defamatory. Please desist from any attempts to have such material published

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