Katie Ledecky (4:02.15) Leaves Foes Winded in 400 Free; Michael Phelps Tops 200 Fly

Katie Ledecky [Photo: Peter Bick]
Katie Ledecky [Photo: Peter Bick]

Katie Ledecky roared to another superb performance in the 400 freestyle while Michael Phelps claimed first in the 200 butterfly at the USA Pro Series in Mesa.

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Robbos

Ledecky swims faster then anyone else & she is in heavy training!!!! How unfair!!!! What Legend!!!!

aswimfan

It’s so weird when seeing a 4:02 for women’s 400 free, the first thing that came to my mind was “oh, it’s a slow swim”
Ledecky has conditioned us to expect a sub 4:00 every single time.

The wind though, was a bonanza for 50 sprinter. Adrian, when interviewed after the race said “you can feel it everywhere when standing on the block” lol

Craig Lord

That ‘slow’ swim, faster than any other woman in the world so far this year, taking in several top trials nations etc, aswimfan. In a different pool.

aswimfan

Yes CL, that’s why it was weird for me that I felt 4:02 was a slow swim. I guess subconsciously I expect KL to swim 4:00 or faster everytime.

I don’t know how Weitzeil and Manuel (who took time off college for the whole year to prepare for Olympics) should feel when a non-specialist who came back from maternity leave beat both of them in 50 free. Just like in London, Vollmer may even get a spot in 4×100 free if the sprint specialists do not step up.

Eugene Chc

aswimfan, in December 2011 she swam with straight arms. in first meets 2012, she swam with new stroke, and it was awful. Her fly also was new, and much slower than in 2011. Only backstroke was the same.
in CAL her freestyle became like an old technique.
But after NCAA she return to Schmitz and he again change her stroke, even her backstroke.
Again her stroke was awful.

aswimfan

Dave Nicholson asked me of what I think about the current state of US swimming. I wrote a reply in the other thread which has since been hijacked by g l, so I copied my response onto here, in case he didn’t see that one over there:

Dave,
As you said, it is hard to have a deeper reading just based on the first day of this meet. I’ll wait until the end of this meet to see who’s on form and who’s not. Usually, I will have much better grasp of the landscape after Santa Clara meet.

My observation from the first day though:
1. Not many NCAA top swimmers participating here (no CAL, Texas, Florida and Georgia teams – men and women). I hope a lot more will be in Charlotte and I’m sure most will be in Santa Clara, after which we’ll have much better picture before the trials.
2. One NCAA swimmer that impressed me yesterday was Ella Eastin. This year may come one year too early for her to qualify, but we’ll see.
3. Simone Manuel seems to have better endurance, but her technique is still not as efficient as other worlds top sprinters.
4. It does seem to me on average US swimmers swim more events compared to swimmers in other countries. I can’t be certain if this is true or not, it’s just a surface observation where I see same swimmers popped up in two or three different events in one day.
5. Allison Schmitt surprised me with her 1:56. If she is in the same training cycle as Phelps’ then this is a very good news for US 200 free chances and only made their claim for 4×200 gold even stronger.

aswimfan

Eugene Chc,

I don’t really pay notice to Franklin’s crawl stroke so I didn’t know it changed.
How about her 2013 Barcelona:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycp8Mhnegp4

I don’t know if it’s the same as her current stroke which is difficult to see due angle:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKMsRWsgWA8

Bad Anon

Missy rather disappointing on 1.01 and Hosszu not quite swimming up to her iron lady status. Outdoor windy conditions certainly greeted swimmers to race time in Mesa last night

Eugene Chc

asfimfan, looks similar. it better than her 2012 stroke. But worse than 2011, especially at the finish.

aswimfan

Eugene chc,
That’s what I thought so. Well, she won 200 gold in Barcelona with the same stroke technique, so we will just have to see until the trials when she’s fully tapered if it deliver similar result this time around.

aswimfan

Yozhik,

Vollmer was always a very good 200 freestyler. She made her first Olympics as 16 yo in 4×200, winning gold. She was also part of 4×200 in London, splitting 1:56.0

So, yes, if Vollmer and Schmitt get anywhere near the best, USA will not need to have MIssy to get back at her best to win gold, but she will definitely need to be back at her best if USA wants to finally break the WR.

Eugene Chc

aswimfan, now much more training than in 2013, another mistake from Schmitz.
she looks very heavy since returning to him.

Yozhik

Asf, you moved to the different thread. Fine. If not to count suit results then Vollmer’s best at 200 fs was six years ago and it was 1:56.95. Right now USA is behind China for more than one second with Frankln’s best season time 1:57.49. If to remember that challenger can have more than a half of a second advantage against dominant team because the later one will make safe exchanges then in order to be confident with the gold medal USA W800 relay team needs two seconds of combined improvement (assuming that china’s swimmers will stay at same form). It was expected mostly from Franklin since she was last year a 1:55 swimmer. I don’t understand how you can see Vollmer with her 2:01 in Messa as a valid replacement for Franklin should the later one shows no improvement. The USA team is a prohibitive favorites only if Shcmitt swims at least 1:56 flat and there is a swimmer besides Ledecky who is capable for 1:55 middle. Otherwise challengers are welcome.

aswimfan

Yozhik,

Please remember that the times you did for USA are all untapered times. I’m sure the total time will be around 4 seconds faster (assuming each swimmer gets one second faster on average at the trials). And I’m sure Franklin will swim 1:55 or 1:56 flat in Omaha.

Eugene Chc

aswimfan, before 2012, i thought he was a good coach, although there was a story with Kelly Naze, she received a severe back injury when he trained, I think it was worse than Franklin in 2014. She switched to another club, she became good college level swimmer at CAL.
In 2012 i began to seriously doubt his qualifications. Very bad result with Kara Lynn Jojce on 50m and 100m.
His last good swimmer Hennesy Stuart also switched to another club before college.

Yozhik

“Твои слова да богу в уши” (chance would be a fine thing!). I like your optimism, aswimfan. If Ledecky and Schmitt down their times by one second each then Katie will be up to the Pellegrini’s world record and just two of them with Allison can beat any other national team. 🙂

Yozhik

Is it an official requirement that relay team should consist of FOUR different swimmers and same swimmer is not allowed to swim twice?

aswimfan

Yozhik,
yes

SW 10.10 There shall be four swimmers on each relay team. Mixed relays may be
swum. Mixed Relays must consist of two (2) Men and two (2) Women. Split times
achieved in these events cannot be used for records and/or entry purposes.

Eugene Chc

I think Manuel can be good at 200m, if it will solve the problems with free stroke

Yozhik

Eugene, she is already #7 American at 200 freestyle with her 1:58.8. But I would prefer to see her under 53 at 100 rather then to have American version of 50-100-200 Sarah Sjostrom.

Yozhik

@asf: too bad. What is the nature of this restriction ( a swimmer is not allowed to swim more than one time in relay). I see no deep philosophic reason for that. With this rule we are robbing ourselves of amazing entertainment and manifestation of greatness.

Eugene Chc

Yozhik, yes.
Sarah Sjostrom had a lot of problems with free stkore at different distances some yers ago.
Manuel can change stroke a few times, even up to 50 m.

Ger

Franklin scratched her events for day 3; apparently she hasn’t been feeling well, which would explain her performances here.

Yozhik

Let’s wished to get well. Time flies, just two months left before trials.

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