Gregorio Paltrinieri Pushes 14:40 & Pulls Gabriele Detti To 14:48 At Milan Trophy

Gregorio Paltrinieri of Italy
Gregorio Paltrinieri by Patrick B. Kraemer

World champion Gregorio Paltrinieri shot to the head of the world 1500m freestyle rankings with a rattling 14:40.61 victory at the 6th Città di Milano Trophy. Drawn with him all the way, Gabriele Detti also cracked 14:50, for second in a lifetime best of 14:48.86 – and that a month from Italian Olympic trials

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aswimfan

Wow. 14:40 in March, a month before Olympics trials is VERY FAST.
Even Sun Yang was never as fast in this time of the year or even in China’s national Champs.

paolo rubbiani

What a duo of milers we have!!
A month before the Nationals, after a grueling period of training in altitude (in Mexico) and then a fortnight at Fort Lauderdale, the fantastic duo coached by Stefano Morini has hammered a pair of incredible times for an untapered, unshaved 1500 free (Detti, with a thick beard, has swum a great PB).

Reading their times, both Paltrinieri and Detti really surprised, and more incredible things are going to happen at Riccione mid-April..

commonwombat

Very formidable “markers” laid down for the other 1500 men.

p1robi

Clean swimmers as well.

ThereaLuigi

I am cursing myself for not having been there. 14,40 this time of the year is incredibile.

Federica, by the way, never scored a 1,55 this time of the year in textile.

paolo rubbiani

Yes Luigi, it’s also right to point out Pellegrini’s time, even more considering Federica’s words after the race: she’s working a lot and keeping an eye upon every small thing and detail to perform greatly at Rio.
Firstly, she knows that in the first 100 she has to split faster than in the past and she’s training for that.

ThereaLuigi

Craig, does this enter a top-10 all-time ranking? I have no idea how many times exactly Hackett and Sun (and Paltrinieri himself) swam faster than this.

Craig Lord

No 12 all suits, Therealuigi – and, as noted in copy, No 9 in textile. Sun and his * have 4 entries top 10; Gregorio now 3, in textile. Grant H has 6 sub 14:45s to his name in textile, all between 14:40 and 14:45 barring the WR swim in 2001. He cracked 14:39 in heats 2008, body suited etc… the fastest 1500m heats in history (and will probably remain so for a while: 14:49.53 last through – 14:50.30 not good enough for the final …

ThereaLuigi

Thanks very much Craig. I tend not to count swims in other than textile 🙂
I hope Gregorio will not buckle under pressure in Rio and swim his best time there (whatever that is). He is a very relaxed, easygoing guy and seems to be very well centered, but the pressure of Olympic expectations can make anyone tremble.

beachmouse

The key with the 1500M at Olympics/WCs is often knowing how to swim just fast enough in the heats to get through without having to tap into the reserve tanks. Paltrinieri is dangerous because he knows how to do this well.

Yozhik

To those who like to play with numbers.
Pellegrini
2015.
Vichy. First week of June. Two months prior WC. Most likely not tapered. Showed best times of 2015 season.
100m free : 54.37
200m free : 1:55.00

2016.
Milan. Middle of March. One month prior trials. Not tapered.
100m free : 54.34
200m free : 1:55.92
If to remember that that personal best at 200 in 2015 was most likely provoked by tight race with Hosszu, then I will conclude that Federica is a very stable swimmer who doesn’t show any sign of slowing down. And that is probably it for today.

My coach liked to joke about my consistently slow swimming: “стабильность – признак мастерства” 🙂 ( the ability to deliver stable performance is the main feature of great master).
Without joking I can say same thing about Pellegrini. She is a Great Master in swimming and her stability at her age deserves admiration.

ThereaLuigi

Yes Yozhik she is. As Aswimfam noted, she was up with the best in 2004 and she still is in 2016. No one else has lasted this long in the 200 free to my knowledge.

paolo rubbiani

Yozhik, I understand your research (or desire..) of repetitions and stability, but in swimming (life?) things, i.e. phases of training in swimming, are different from March and end-June/early July, and are also different from one season to another both the quantity/ quality of training done during the season and the tapering chosen (also considering the past experiences).

Last year was the first one of Federica with her new, rather unexperienced, coach Matteo Giunta, was the first one without training for 400 free or backstroke and focusing on 200 free, so there were many doubts (I think also in Italian federation..) about Federica’s way of training.
This year much more confidence from everyone, above all from Pellegrini and Giunta.

Having said that, nobody can be sure that at Rio Pellegrini will perform better than at Kazan and your prediction of stability about Pellegrini’s times could come true, but, I repeat, in swimming there are many variables and differences between one season and another. So, i won’t be surprised if Pellegrini, at Rio, will swim her PB in textile dipping under 1.55.

Yozhik

The only thing left, Luigi is to wish this high level of performance that she maintains for so many years to be sufficient for podium in Rio. The life was not staying still for all these long years that she has been at the top. The progress since 2004 at middle distances is significant. There is nobody around any more who she’s beaten in this already standing far away 2004.
When Rebecca Adlington retired she said – I have know pleasure to compete with all these teenagers. Something like that. That is the bitter part of being a veteran – one has to compete against somebody who wore diapers when she/he got to prominence.

ThereaLuigi

Well Yozhik let’s assume she doesn’t medal in Rio. She can still boast a silver medal at the WC in 2015. That’a 11-years stretch. Show me the next swimmer in her specialty who can state the same. 🙂

aswimfan

The only other swimmers who have won major championships medals in 11 years stretch are Phelps (200 fly, 2001-2012) and Lochte (200 IM, 2004-12015).

Yozhik

If it was something like Oscar for Lifetime Echievment in swimming then Pellegrini may had it ( don’t know much about pre-Pellegrini time).
Her story has something from Great Roman Impire that stood for centuries but was under constant attacks from different directions – Muffat, Schmitt, Franklin, … you name it. But now the threat is dangerously real – Sjostrom from South (sprint) and Ledecky from North (long distance).
Pellegrini was lucky that tech suit era coincided with her great form. Her records made at this time will keep her name on the surface for long time ahead. Despite I disregard suit records as assisted swimming in Pelligrini’s case her records feel very natural. I cannot explain why. Maybe because she is still a contender. Will we see her famous 1:52.98 beaten soon? There are some talks that it is reachable now. However it would be useful to remind that 1:54.31 and 1:54.43 from Sjosrtom and Ledecky respectfully are still at 1.2% distance away and that is huge for elite swimming. Both those results were shown out of competition in the races that were specifically targeting personal bests.

Yozhik

*Roman Empire

ThereaLuigi

Aswimfan, Phelps and Lochte have been there a long time of course and that’s why I specified “in her specialty”. I mean, find me a swimmer who lasted that long at the top in the 200 freestyle. Male or female. For some reason it’s a race where nobody manages to stay on top or near the top for more than a few years.

Yozhik, I don’t think Fede values her record as much as she does her victories. As for me, I have always believed that she peaked in 2008-2009, and it’s a shame that that period coincided with the supersuits, or else perhaps she might have a great textile record in her name. The “supersuit” argument casts a shadow on her achievements of that period.

Ps the 54:34 in the 100 free of a few days ago is her PB in textile. She is working on front speed I guess. Or maybe dive and turns, who knows.

Yozhik

Luigi, I was trying to say something nice about her.
I found very interesting your point that nobody but Pellegrini could perform at high level at 200m freestyle for long time. There should be some explanations of this observation if it is correct and indeed reflects some facts about swimmer’s abilities.
I looked at her times at 100, 200 and 400 for the period from 2003 until now trying to figure out some pattern of progress/declne. I found nothing conclusive besides the observation that in recent years her performance became more consistent. I wouldn’t even call her performance stable over this time span. I noticed that the history of her 400 is even more interesting and more impressive than at 200.
I may return to this discussion if it would be the article dedicated to middle distances and to Pellegrini in particular.

ThereaLuigi

Yozhik, first of all that you were saying nice things about FP was quite clear. No misunderstanding on this side.
About the 200: my uneducated guess is that it is a unique combination of speed and endurance, not suitable for the old. But let the experts speak.
About the 400: it’s a race she hated. A couple of times she had to stop during the race and get out of the water for an anxiety attack. Yes, she was good at something she feared and hated. It happens.

aswimfan

Grant Hackett broke 200 free WR in 1999, and he won bronze in 2015 Kazan in 4×200 free. That’s 16 years among world’s elites in 200 free.

Not as impressive as Pellegrini of course, but shows another dimension of Hackett’s greatness.

ThereaLuigi

Honestly I was just speaking about solo efforts. That Grant Hackett is among the greatest in the sport there can be no doubt.

aswimfan

TL,

I understand that, and of course Hackett’s not comparable to Pellegrini’s. I’d just wanted to point out that for some great swimmers, being older (how old is Hackett? 35?) doesn’t preclude them from being quite competitive in 200 free, even if it’s only for relay alternates.
I think Magnini would be also in similar situation if he continues swimming for the next few years: he will always be competitive enough to get into Italy’s 4×200

ThereaLuigi

That’s only because the Italian 4×200 is in dire straits :-). He is not even a 200 free specialist.

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