Federica Pellegrini Beckons The Battle: ‘200 Has Never Been So Competitive – Pure Fight’

Federica Pellegrini - Berlin 200m gold in 2014 - and a farewell to top-flight 400m racing [Photo: Patrick B. Kraemer]

Federica Pellegrini tells our colleague at La Stampa, reporter Giulia Zonca, Pellegrini, that Kazan world titles next month will be the “litmus test”, the proof in the pudding baked when she opted to favour the 200m and drop the 400m as her main race focus and shift from coach Philippe Lucas to Matteo Giunta

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Federica Pellegrini tells our colleague at La Stampa, reporter Giulia Zonca, Pellegrini, that Kazan world titles next month will be the “litmus test”, the proof in the pudding baked when she opted to favour the 200m and drop the 400m as her main race focus and shift from coach Philippe Lucas to Matteo Giunta

Comments

clive rushton

“Pure fight.” Love it.

Bad Anon

It’s a very competitive race on the cards ; will take a very gutsy swim to medal

Yozhik

Pelligrini fits very well the statistics of pb improvements for elite swimmers. Her style got to perfection long time ago and she continues to maintain it without change. So I would rather expect Heemskerk go back to 1:55 then Pelligrini making progress from where she is now. But her presence on the deck is always an excitement. She is a great swimmer and only the greatest can match her. No swimmers can say that the race is done until it’s done when Federica is next in the water.

Bruinbil32

With heats, semis and presumably finals in 50-100 free/fly why should Sjostrom get greedy and do the 209 free too — plus any relays Sweden has qualified fir?

Her plate is plenty full without the deuce.

For that matter I think Ledecky is making a mistake going the 200 too but I’m just a dumb swim fan somewhat domo,know?

G

felix

Katie will be fine she’s an animal. The 200 is the only race she has to race to win. She wins the other 3 distances by cruising. It would hurt Sarah that’s why she won’t do it, I think that will help Pellegrini as well the pace may not be as hot in the opening 100 which is what she will want.

aswimfan

I agree with Felix, even if Ledecky doesn’t medal in the 200, it wouldn’t hurt her in her core events. She’s so far ahead the rest of the world that in fact racing three rounds of 200 would be almost like a training for Ledecky.

Example to support my view: in 2001, even though he raced three rounds of 100 (and finishing fourth) and all three relays (winning all of them), Thorpe still won 200/400/800 comfortably in WRs.
For these legends, swimming multiple events in a championships is part of what makes them legends.

Yozhik

It is interesting to see what time will be if Pellegrini goes to her closet and puts on her 6 year old lovely world record suit. The following is Pellegrinis’s progression at 200m free from 17 to 27. It looks intriguing when making a chart of it. Unfortunately the format of posting to this site doesn’t allow jpeg objects, so I cannot do it for you.
01:58.7 2005 World Championships 24/7/2005
02:01.9
2006 European Champs
31/7/2006
01:56.5 2007 World Championships 25/3/2007
01:54.8 2008 Olympic Games 9/8/2008
01:53.0 2009 FINA World Champs 26/7/2009
01:55.5 2010 European Swimming Champs 9/8/2010
01:55.6 2011 FINA World Championships 24/7/2011
1:56:32 49th Sette Colli Trophy 14/6/2012
01:55.1 15th FINA World Championships 28/7/2013
01:55.7 National Spring Championships 8/4/2014
01:55.0 9th French Swimming Open 4/7/2015

Craig Lord

A touch more accuracy Yozhik, back to when she was 15 (at her best this season, 2009 might have been a 1:54 lowish to mid in normal suit but we’ll never know:
1:55.00 2015
1:55.69 2014
1:55.14 2013
1:56.32 2012
1:55.58 2011
1:55.45 2010
1:52.98 2009
1:54.82 2008
1:56.47 2007
1:58.38 2006
1:57.92 2005
1:58.02 2004
2:03.32 2003

(jpegs not something we will be using at all for comments, comments being just that, not a facility through which to run a blog 🙂 … graphically it is meaningful on time and progress only if you eliminate 2008-09; meaningful all years if impact of suits is what you’re looking at (not pure swimming speed).
It also reminds us how interesting it will be to watch Marit Steenbergen

Yozhik

Thank you Craig for data. My post was not about “what if” scenario. I was wondering if she is at her prime at this distance or just doesn’t give up to age.
JPEG is harmless object but yes requires some extra support on server side and of course involves a lot of extra cencorship. On the other hand it opens some interesting opportunities like charts and cartoons. Now it is like a silent movie, but you know better how to run your business 🙂

Craig Lord

Not a question of better Yozkik… a question of time management. If this were soccer, I would have a team of 40 folk. It’s not and I don’t 🙂

aswimfan

Craig,

La Fede swam 1:57.93 in 2006 Italian championship.

From 2004 to 2015 (a period of 12 years), Pellegrini is in the annual top 5 of 200 free, except of of 2006 (6th) and 2012 (7th), which is unrivaled by any other female 200 freestyler with the possible exception of Van Almsick .

2004: 3rd
2005: 2nd
2006: 6th
2007: 4th
2008: 1st
2009: 1st
2010: 1st
2011: 1st
2012: 7th
2013: 2nd
2014: 5th
2015: 3rd (so far)

I agree with Craig that La Fede would have swum at least 1:54 low at her peak in 2009.

aswimfan

another supporting example that Ledecky should be able to do 200-400-800-1500 just fine:

Hackett in 2005: 200 free (2nd), 400 (win), 800 (win, WR), 1500 (win).

Craig Lord

Hi aswimfan. I have the spring and winter nationals results in front of me from 2006: 1:58.57 spring; 1:58.38 winter (she raced last in the 4×200 relay at both meets and was over 2mins in heats at both) season best times. If she did a 1:57.9 it must have been at a different meet?

aswimfan

Craig,

FINA database listed 1:57.93 was swum in Riccione on 26 March 2006, and I found that on 26 March 2006 which is the second day of the championships (http://www.nuoto.it/leggi.php?leggiID=11294), Pellegrini swam 55.28 100 free but no individual 200 free, but there’s also 4×200 free relay on that day which unfortunately doesn’t give any splits. If FINA is correct, my guess is that Pellegrini swam the lead off in that 4×200 free in 1:57.93

aswimfan

Sorry, the link should have been:
http://www.nuoto.it/leggi.php?leggiID=11277

aswimfan

Just did a quick investigation, and it seems Pellegrini didnt swim lead off:

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campionati_italiani_primaverili_di_nuoto_2006

But FINA archives listed it http://www.fina.org/H2O/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=806

so the mystery continues….

Craig Lord

No mystery, aswimfan (beyond where they might have got that swim from) – they got it wrong – not nationals. I have the result sheets in full. I have what was officially recorded. And odder still is that the 2006 figures used by FINA were entirely the work of Nick Thierry – whose archive now belongs to swimvortex … and that archive does NOT include the 1:57.9 … so a touch of error introduced by those compiling the digital archive lists for FINA of late, me thinks. A quick trawl of those lists tells me that there are quite a few errors in terms of the meets associated with swims and the actual times in some cases.

Yozhik

Thank you aswimfun for the interesting information. Combining her yearly rankings with the time shown it is clear that she is driving her swimming career on cruise control and can be in such conditions for at least two more years swimming low 1:55 or even a little bit better. The similar analysis for her 400 and especially 100 times is convincing me with such conclusion even stronger. The only question that I don’t have answer for is 2012. What has happen in the Olympic year?
Regarding her suite results. Did she benefit from it more than others? It is more than 2% progress. Is the statistics of tech-suit improvements available?
If to take surfing board, make it extremely thin, curve to increase floating power and shape around swimmer’s body then we get these shiny suites records. It is still very impressive what can be achieved. Why not to have separate competition where suit manufactures can compete? They can afford to pay their Guinea pigs good money. We have LCM, SCM, SCY, finswimming. Why not to extend this list? It is still pure human power.

Yozhik

There is an excerption from some other blog.
Question: What’s with this blossoming use of nose plugs?
Answer: I use it for back and IM. For backstroke, it helps because you don’t have to blow bubbles out, which wastes your oxygen, allowing you to travel underwater further. In IM, it helps with backstroke and the back-to-breast transition. For other strokes, some swimmers just prefer to focus on breathing only through the mouth.

Should such devices be treated same way as it was done to high-tech suits?

Craig Lord

Yozhik – no, its not pure human power … that’s the point. It would be a wholly different sport – and the world can always set that up without interfering with true swimming (the fact that it hasn’t happened and there’s no appetite for it tells us what we need to know … though manufacturers liked the wave at the time there was also much relief when the farce ended: there is NO market in the wider world for such suits, while the majority of elite swimmers at world champs level etc get their suits free… so certainly a direct cost to manufacturers not a flow into coffers)… as for athletes: ‘thank god they’re gone, I hated spending half an hour putting on a suit every time I swam’ … a common refrain among very many elite swimmers. Further, of late there has been research into the damaging effects of compression-wear on human health … I would not want to be the one to say ‘sure, let all your age-groupers don this stuff and spend hours and hours on end at the local age group meet squashed into something made for a 3-year-old… the issues run deeper than ‘let’s have a show and sod the purity of sport’.

Yozhik

Thank you for clarification. In this case I would not count suit record at all. It is probably too much hassles to remove those records from the books and swimming community is patiently waiting for them to be gone natural way. Medals may stay as they are. But even under this angle we have to treat awards received with the help of shiny suit as cheating. 2008 Olympics – Sara Isakovic 1:54.97; Federica Pellegrini -1:54.82(Gold medal). Should Federica give this medal to Sara, because as Craig stated earlier Sara swam in textile?

Craig Lord

No, Yozhik, I think the athlete cannot be penalised for something the blazers allowed. Rather, I would rather see financial penalties imposed on FINA Bureau members, those who allowed it and those who did nothing about it until it was way too late to stop the history of swimming being warped and twisted in the way it was. But that takes us back to leading federations failing to take responsibility for the intl governance of their sport – with all the things that are sure to come to pass if no-one does anything to stop the regressive rot:
http://www.swimvortex.com/kuwait-succession-in-place-as-fina-takes-retrograde-step-against-olympic-tide/

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