Doc Tells James Magnussen: Put Shoulder, Mare Nostrum & World Title Defence On Ice

James Magnussen [Photo: Patrick B. Kraemer]

News Roundup: James Magnussen, of Australia, is likely to withdraw from the Mare Nostrum Tour in Europe and is to seek a second opinion after doctors told him that the best therapy for his injured shoulder was … rest. His chances of defending the world 100m freestyle title may be heading for the rocks; Melanie Costa makes plans; US high school swimming, yes or no; Gemma Mengual to return?; Serbia player suspended

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News Roundup: James Magnussen, of Australia, is likely to withdraw from the Mare Nostrum Tour in Europe and is to seek a second opinion after doctors told him that the best therapy for his injured shoulder was … rest. His chances of defending the world 100m freestyle title may be heading for the rocks; Melanie Costa makes plans; US high school swimming, yes or no; Gemma Mengual to return?; Serbia player suspended

Comments

Verram

I loooove how you have to keep repeating that Magnussen lost to Adrian by 0.01 at the Olympics .. You know just in case we missed it the last 10million times it was mentioned lol

felixdangerpants

It’s a very valid point relative to the article that’s why & nobody is forcing you to read it.

for33

Oh, this is very regrettable. Mr. Magnusen was critical for the 4x100m freestyle relay. Now I wonder who would replace him in the team. A big disappointment.

robbos

Australia has no depth in the 4X100 & hence even making the final without Maggie, would be a huge effort. I wonder will they let Chalmers swim it for experience if Maggie out.

Verram

Well nobody is forcing you to read my comment as well felixdangeepants so butt out eh

aswimfan

Do you think it’s maybe his inexperienced new coaches with types of training that may have caused the injury?

felixdangerpants

Ok Verram you can criticise the article but it’s not ok to comment on your pathetic little winge.

Robbos if Mag does pull out then Tommaso wil get the individual swim based off his bronze at trials. Still a decent team but will probably need to go full strength in heats, Abood is a reliable relay swimmer but yes after that they are really struggling. I thought To would be a good relay swimmer for Aus but he didn’t feature at trials. I’m not a fan at all about the mixed relays but McEvoy is now looking at a huge schedule.

felixdangerpants

aswimfan I don’t think so, he’s had niggly injuries for a while now, I know his coach well & he said his back is still causing issues which is probably placing more strain on other parts of his body. Running out of time though….

Verram

Felixdangeepants I gave as much right to commend here as you… You’re the pathetic one around here mate.. Grow up!

Craig Lord

Verram: the line is entirely relevant to the story of this athlete

Verram

Oh I don’t dispute that it is relevant… I just wanted to note that everytime I read a Magnussen/Olympics related article, 90% of the time you would mention that 0.01 loss to Adrian… Relevant no doubt, repetitive yes…

Craig Lord

Roy, similar has been suggested before (slight variation on format/rounds etc but that’s detail) by various parties (me among them). Hadn’t heard the lottery idea before but interesting way of dealing with the general weakness of Africa. In general, I think it would be great. Europe Vs USA (fine as the event is – really like it) faces a struggle to get the best in the pool there. A major review of the competition calendar (as part of the very review coach and senior athletes have called for) is called for to make way for the kind of event you mention, things that fill the void of Olympics to worlds and worlds and back to Olympics with stuff that is fun for athletes, programs, sponsors, TV, media in general and audience alike (world cup simply does not tick those boxes) – BUT with a format that offers consistency and thread season to season (not one-off events with no connection along the spectrum of time and seasons – without such things, lore is lost, and lore is an important aspect of the human experience and connection).
Seb Coe has made Comp Cal review a major pillar in his campaign to lead the IAAF. Where are the leadership voices in FINA saying, let alone embracing, anything remotely close to ‘review, restructure, rebirth, reinvention, rejuvenation, fitness for purpose in the 21st century”? Silence is what we have (even though much is spent on gatherings of Fina, broadcasters, business folk etc… but none of it ever results in meaningful change in anything close to timely fashion… extraordinary meetings and extra effort to be found ONLY when it comes to such issues as having Julio Maglione break his promise and press for a 3rd term as president until he’s 85, with the backing of the combined brain cell of a USA Swimming board working on a strategy doomed to deliver bad news). The kind of event you suggest will only happen if there is fundamental change in the governance of the sport.

Craig Lord

Like the idea of restricted program on such occasions – don’t like mixed relays for a number of reasons 🙂

Mini bus

magnussien: what happens when the athlete calls the shots. Bad choices all round lead to poor outcomes.

Craig Lord

That’s part of the nature of relevance, Verram 🙂

aswimfan

I wonder if leaving Brant Best turns out to be one of the worst decisions Magnussen ever made in his life.

Time will tell.

Rafael

Roy while not a fan of mixed fixing the male female order especially on medley would be terrible and would give unfair advantage to some countries.

About mag he must rest and dont force himself if he wants to swim in Rio. Maybe return to his original coach.

anon

australia’s already slim gold medal hopes took a huge dent. emily seebohm was australia’s 2nd best hope of a women’s gold after cate campbell, and magnussen prob australia’s 2nd best hope of a men’s gold after mack horton in 400m.
the mixed freestyle relay also went from certain gold to potentially silver/bronze

commonwombat

We may never know the full story of what happened in the Brant Best squad. There has been a number of comments in various forums with regards to Magnussen’s attitude but I’m not going there as I have no first hand knowledge. This MAY have been a factor but what is a fact is that ALL the national team members in that squad have moved elsewhere. Draw what conclusions you may.

Mixed relays seem a wonderful idea “in concept” but the realities of making them work as a fair contest much more problematic given the time differentials between genders. Given they are NOT Olympic events, it will be interesting as to the level of interest from the major nations where their “top guns” of either gender already have heavy programs.

2015 Worlds ARE the primary qualification event for the Olympic relays with the top 12 teams in each relay gaining automatic qualification for Rio. Whilst the AUS relays SHOULD all qualify; Magnussen out of 4×100 & 4xMED possibly takes them from “certainties bar DSQ” to fighting to make final/the lower end of the qualifiers.

Anthony Chua

Resurrect the US Sprint Nationals. I loved watching on TV Matt Biondi racing Tom Jager, Steve Crocker, et al. And the format, 2 per heat was exciting. What about a World Sprint Championships; just 50m Freestyle, same format, made for TV, with Cash Prizes?

Rafael

Australia will final on 4×100 medley.. with mcevoy anchoring, unless we saw a 1:00 high split on breast. Larkin and Hadler are good, so no problem.

The 4×100 relay is probably out of medal contention, but will be top 12 for sure, and can qualify for final, unless they want to rest Mcevoy and Dorsogna.. one of the 2 will need to swim prelims..

aswimfan

Magnussen out does not affect Australia’s relays chances to final as I doubt Magnussen would swim the prelims anyway.

aswimfan

On a second thought, he might swim 4×100 free prelims as Australia has less depth.

Rafael

What was the situation I saw.

They would use or Mcevoy or Magnussen on prelims..

A team without both can qualify, but may be a bit risky.

With magnussen out of the team, Dorsogna gets the individual swim. Then we would have To inside the team for a relay swim. But that would not have much impact, they won´t be able just use the “new” 4 relay swimmers (Chalmers, Abbod, Delaney and To) and qualify.

I wonder which strategy the team will use, some team can rest 1 or 2 on prelims, others won´t be able (China, JPN for sure won´t)

luigi

This is not bad news for Australia, this is bad news for anyone who loves swimming. The 100 freestyle without the guy that clocked more textile 47s in his career than anyone else – including that out-of-this-world 47.10 – will not be the same as far as I am concerned. Of course if I was him I would sacrifice the WC and focus on the Olympics, but still, what a shame.

commonwombat

Magnussen’s withdrawal is likely to take away AUS “safety option” to qualify for finals for both 4×100 & 4xMED. A McEvoy-less heats line-up will be scrambling to qualify in an outside lane in 4X100. Abood IS a reliable relay performer but Chalmers is a rookie; D’Osogna’s 2014 efforts in this relay were 49+. Delaney is better known as a backstroker.

The lack of a fall-back option for McEvoy will be just as crucial in 4xMED as they will almost certainly have to be coming from behind to qualify. Larkin SHOULD almost certainly be competitive on back but BRS remains a question mark as to where Sprenger will be. The fly leg is just as questionable as neither Hadler or D’Orsogna have good intl records and are more likely to split 52+ and conceding up to 1.5sec to a lot of teams.

Flipper

Intercontinental Cup is a great idea. Africa could compete as a 4th team without having to split up as suggested. It would give the best from the continent an opportunity to compete in finals at the highest level.

As with the track and field version, the 2 entries per continent may not come from the same country. Perhaps it should be held every odd year immediately following World Champs.

felixdangerpants

Australia could very well run a Larkin Sprenger Emma Cate medley relay. So I don’t know how the loss of Mag affects that when McEvoy is quicker than him anyway.

PaulBrownSr

I like the idea of the Intercontinental Cup. How would we address the issue of Antarctica though? Perhaps, similar to what was proposed with Africa, other continents could draft the 5 fastest penguins.

Craig Lord

Penguins are banned, PaulB, on account of their bodysuits

felixdangerpants

So much for height in the sprint fs, those short fat penguins would blitz the world.

john26

I know a lot of people have criticized him for not living up to potential, at least in terms of performances- but don’t forget for all the talk about swims from Ledecky, Sun Yang, Peaty, Meilutyte.. etc, (and considering what may transpire for the remainder of his career) Magnussen’s 47.10 is still the most talked about (if not the most impressive) swim since the suit era.

for33

Perhaps Mr. McEvoy could skip swimming the 4x200m freestyle relay (which never seems to function optimally for Australia). If they are in a good day David Mceon, Grant Hackett, Mack Horton, and Thomas Fraser Holmes would make quite a powerful relay. And Japan coming second after Australia.

aswimfan

John26,

I remember someone did statistical analysis in another swimming site to show that 47.10 not only follow the rate improvement trajectory of men 100 free WR (no shiny), but actually accelerate it. It’s certainly the most impressive men 100 free record since Spitz.

aswimfan

And if Antarctica is allowed to participate, I’d root for them to sweep the golds. Campbell and Ledecky would be made to look as slow as a whale shark by comparison. The inhabitants may not move very fast on land, but they sure do know how to swim.

Craig Lord

The whole race was a speedy, singular moment – the swiftest domestic race and range 1-8 in 100m free history (no, not counting shiny):
47.10 Magnussen
47.63 Roberts
48.32 Targett
48.53 Sullivan
48.58 McEvoy
48.64 D’Orsogna
48.81 Abood M
48.95 Richardson

DDias

john26,
I beg to differ, but I think Sarah 50fly is the most impressive swim post-suit era.

felixdangerpants

That race was electric I was lucky enough to be standing at the 25 right on poolside & Roberts was flying home in that last quarter. You could argue about several swims in the post suit era but yes that 50 of Sarah’s was insane. The only female performance that is close to what men swim.

commonwombat

Whether McEvoy is ultimately quicker than Magnussen has yet to be really established. Magnussen’s ongoing shoulder issues do suggest any further time progressions may be unlikely but McEvoy hasn’t yet established himself above Magnussen in the pecking order.

Magnussen’s withdrawal will remove AUS “margin for error’/capacity to rest McEvoy for 4×100. Otherwise, they are risking missing the final. Racing D’Orsogna on the freestyle leg of 4XMED heats is courting non-qualification. Sure, point to his 48mid at 2015 Trials but I point to his relay efforts at both CG & PP last year. 49plus both times …. sorry but Abood would be much safer.

Roberts’ 47.63 is one of those anomalies. Was it “that one brief shining moment” in one’s career where everything ‘clicked’ ? Did he “surf” Magnussen’s bow-wave to such a time ?

Anan

Hi commonwombat. I guess you can say the same about Maggie: 47’10 and since then? Never closer than 47’53.
What about the other swimmers in that final? I guess the pool was shorter than 50 meters long :). If not, what else?

commonwombat

Anan; Magnussen has been sub48 numerous times since. Roberts – was he ever within a second of that time “off the blocks” before or after ? What is YOUR point ?

aswimfan

Anan,

McEvoy has been so much faster since then.
Sullivan was certainly a faster swimmer than 48..53
Both D’orsogna and Abood have also been faster since then.

Rafael

aswimfan

And how fast would be a prelim relay without Mag and Mcevoy? Chamlmers Aboord Dorsogna and Delaney? Can it final?
And the final with only Mcevoy as new?

Anan

Hi guys. MY point is I have the same feeling for Robert’s 47’63 than Magnussen’s 47’10. Anomaly. We back then thought the guy would be good for WR at Olympics. He even mentioned it after the race. Was he then after an average swimmer? Who can say so? But still, far from what we could expect and what we don’t expect anymore….

aswimfan

Rafael,

see my post immediately after I wrote that Magnussen didn’t affect relays chances tp final. I said “on a second thought..”

Also, I didn’t say anything about final, as it is obvious it will affect all relays except 4×200
In fact, in the previous article when I heard for first time Magnussen was having injury, I wrote “Australia can say good bye to chances in 4×100 free and medley and a sure-fire mixed relays…..”

aswimfan

Anan, if swimming more sub 48 than Nathan Adrian + McEvoy combined is what you call as “average”, then I don’t have anything else to say.

john26

Aswimfan,
I was the one who did the statistical analysis, back when I had time 😛

Ddias,
I stand corrected. I can’t think of a more fitting #2 than this swim though.

for33

I think we should be patient with Mr. Magnusen performances. Consider Sarah Sjostrom, suits notwithstanding. After winning the 100m butterfly in Rome, it took her (if memory serves) more than four years to get back into the limelight. And since then there’s more progress from her with each passing competition. It may be recovering physical health (Cate Campbell), or maturity and regaining confidence, but I believe that Mr. Magnusen’s mesmerizing times and performances will be with us again sometime in the future.

commonwombat

Rafael, an AUS heats line-up of D’Orsogna, Chalmers, Abood & Delaney would be no sure bet to QF/make final. Of these; Abood is the only one with a reasonably solid relay track record. Chalmers, for all the hype of his sub 49 swims at Trials, is a senior team newbie so has to be a question mark. D’Orsogna has had maybe 1 “pass mark” relay swim in LCM in the past 4 years. This is the first time Delaney has made a team for FS rather than back and has zero FS relay experience …. and a best “flat start” of 49mid.

aswimfan

Commonwombat, I agree. As I wrote above, without Magnussen to swim prelims 4×100 free, AUS chances to advance to final is pretty slim since the depth is not there.

Danjohnrob

@for33: I agree with you about Magnussen! I hope his doctors tell him to skip 2015 and get well so Australia can help make the 4×100 free relay in Rio the most exciting race in Olympic history!

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