China Nationals Headliners Sun Yang, Ning Zetao & The Troubling Asterisk They Tow

Asian record holder Ning Zetao

An unfortunate thing for a nation when the two biggest headliners at your national championships have both served doping suspensions but that’s the fact that accompanies the news from China: Ning Zetao on 48.34 in 100 free semis, Sun Yang on 7:47 in the 800m free

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An unfortunate thing for a nation when the two biggest headliners at your national championships have both served doping suspensions but that’s the fact that accompanies the news from China: Ning Zetao on 48.34 in 100 free semis, Sun Yang on 7:47 in the 800m free

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roy

craig lord try and report more on the actual races,we have all heard about ning zetao,s past meat contamination problem.

MP

Roy, no one reports as well as Craig and John. Swimvortex is by far the best. In fact, athletes like the ones you name, should not get a report on their races at all, after being caught in cheating other swimmers who sweat and work hard to achieve results without any illegal aid.

roy

also ning has been training almost non stop at altitude to improve and the dude was also born with a serious calcification problem on his knee. He even said that he experiences great pain while training,so until the dude tests positive again give the guy a break.

MP

You would not condone doping if you were at the receiving end of it, Roy…

Craig Lord

roy – my site, my journalism – i will report on what I want… and … given that china cannot even be bothered to provide full results even to its own media (not even coaches at the meet get full results) , they are lucky we report on them at all … and when we do, context is everything. They were caught with banned substances in their bloodstream… it is fair to all clean athletes to keep pointing it out.

roy

in the past, i didn,t think that ning zetao could reach his full potential due to his knee problem but he has been really consistent since at least 2013.his times are usually around 48 low or so. you also said something about doping in china and you were right but if you look at china, serious doping has always been restricted to certain sports and certain eras. in swimming,china has has a doping problem but a big chunk of the doping has been more or less restriced to a particular era which is the early 90,s especially between 1994 and 1997.right now russia and brazil have the biggest doping cases in swimming. china still has doping cases here and there but it,s not like the 1990,s. also china has swimmers who swam throughout their entire careers and never tested positive.some of those swimmers were not particularly succesful on the international stage,the most notable is chinese butterfly legend wu peng. wu peng was a great butterflier but some would say he was a failure on the international stage.

Craig Lord

All swimmers have great stories to tell roy… they pale to nothing when the swimmer tests positive, doubt remains, trust is lost.

Craig Lord

Quite so to not condoning, MP, even if Roy doesn’t intend to do so, that’s how it comes across – and will sound that way to all those who must race Ning and others while wondering. Thank you

MP

Craig, you and I know what it means to be a clean athlete and sweating blood and tears to get to the top, only then to be denied not only by those who deserve, but sadly by those who cheat. Parents of clean athletes and all involved feel cheated and are powerless to witness injustices like these… No remorse or shame from the guilty doped Swimmers…

Craig Lord

Yes, Roy, we’ve reported all that but don’t get too carried away with the 1990s emphasis. Last 10 years: 27 positive tests. To most swim nations that will sound indecently high (including EPO and other health-damaging substances among teenagers).

Craig Lord

Indeed, MP, and the lack of guilt is helped by a culture in which people say ‘give the guy a break’ while ignoring all of the things you note on behalf of a great many people

Jim

Thank you Craig for your spot-on replies. I couldn’t agree more – your site, your reports, etc. Keep up the great work.

roy

craig lord ning zetao has been consistent since 2013 and has been tested before every meet since then,the chinese overtest him. i think the chinese are too harsh on their swimmers.the only time the chinese authorities are lenient with their swimmers is when chinada makes a mistake as in the case of sun yang. china banned backstroker ouyang kunpeng for life.at the time of the ban ouyang kunpeng was the best backstroker in china.at the time i didn,t agree with the ban and neither did fina.also li zhesi is banned from representing her province in china.yes,she tested positive but china wants to destroy her career just as they did to ouyang kunpeng.

MP

As for China Swimming, do they even exist? No one knows their event calendar, meet results, splits and there is so much info denied to the media and us swimming fans…

Craig Lord

Quite so, MP – they are in any sense a part of world swimming apart from shooing up at the major meets and sending teams to train in places that make it all look more plausible. I have no doubt that there are very many talented and hard-working kids and coaches in China who have no intention to cheat but so very much more could be done to improve China’s poor standing with other nations when it comes to trust and doubt and all that goes with it.

MP

There is no feeling of guilt at all by the cheating swimmers, their doctors and their Federations… I am so proud of all our GBR swimmers as none of them has ever been guilty of any such offense. Knowing most of them personally, I feel they would by even contemplate cheating, let alone actually go ahead with it. But all clean athletes must be supported and helped by media like you reporting dopers, not the culture of closing an eye or two on those who cheat.

Craig Lord

Roy, China has seemed harsher at times than WADA Code and FINA rules call for. It iS also the case that coaches have continued to coach during their suspensions, so some of the harshness is bogus, a paper exercise. And what of Dr Ba – no way he should have been on deck in Incheon, no way. If I were you, I would ask not what is happening to Li Zhesi, an innocent teenager at the time she tested positive for EPO, I would ask what happened to all the people around her, local politicians, gamblers and all, who made it happen. That’s when China will really start to tackle its problem.

MP

I fully agree with you, Craig! China and Russia by no means the only cheating Federations, but two of the worst cases in history for sure (East German 1970s disgrace apart)…

roy

MP,great britain is a clean nation is sports but i think japan is perhaps the cleanest nation in sports.no japanese athlete has tested positive in the history of the olympics.i,m talking about all sports not just swimming.

MP

Quite right, Roy. Japan is as clean as GBR in swimming. I was talking about our sport. I am excluding other sports like athletics and cycling where I am afraid that finding clean athletes is a lot harder…

AsianFan

MP : How about Michelle Smith 1996 ! Linford Christie!

chaocheebye

Craig Lord, u are my namesake…totally agreed with u.

MP

Your ignorance on this post and all others you have published is beyond limits, Asiafan… Michelle Smith was an Irish swimmer from the Republic. That has nothing to do with GBR. Study geography, before talking nonsense. Secondly, Linford Christie was a 100m sprinter (Athletics). What has that got to do with my post about GBR swimmers being clean and honest? Thirdly, if you want to compare Chinese doping with GBR, then I am afraid you are losing before you try…

Craig Lord

AsianFan – as the man who broke the story of Michelle Smith being called to account, I say what I said back then to all those who wobbled on about racism when it came to China ‘and you wouldn’t write this if they were white Europeans’: yes I would and yes, I have, many times through the years. I couldn’t care less where cheating comes from, it remains the same beast… the difference is made in the cultural response to it.

roy

MP,i think that as china develops and becomes richer,it will become more like japan in sports.some sports in china ready have low numbers of positive dope tests. i,m surprised that china has a low number of positive dope tests in weightlifting and the field events in track and field.but it,ll take a long time for them to reach japan,s level. also japan has a more spontaneous sports culture than china. in china, sports is all about winning medals at the olympics. even the british spend money on finishing high up on the medals table.japan doesn,t seem concerned about where they sit on the medals table. even australia has started a british style sports lottery to keep up with britain on the medals table.

MP

Roy and Asiafan, I do not condone doping full stop. Whether I come from a swimmer or any other athlete. Whether it comes from China or any other part of the world. Thank you.

a1960swimmer

Just for history sake: Japanese swimmers won most of the races in the 1932 Olympics as they inhaled oxygen before the races.

roy

i never said you condone doping.what i,m saying is that things will improve in china in all sports even swimming.as china develops things will improve.everything from sports science,to coaching,to nutrition,to training methods will improve. nobody condones doping.

roy

japanese swimmers inhaled oxygen in 1932?

Craig Lord

roy, what could improve very quickly if the system allowed it and if the intl system forced it is the flow of information: anti-doping education to publishing the results of its swimmers, starting with a full set from a national championships, splits and all: in 2015 I simply do not accept that China cannot do that… we know it can… those running the sport simply either see no need to or don’t want to. They should be made to: it is part of being a member of the international family of swim nations. Only taking part in that wider membership when it suits on the big occasion lacks respect.

Chris

I would not say that Great Britain is a clean nation in all sports there is a large problem with Rugby Football at the moment and we have had problems with Track and Field Athletics in the past.
Doping is a world wide problem its not limited to one nation. If the message is rammed home particularly about using supplements and “accidental” doping then things will improve. I think it already has. Got to be optimistic that’s things will improve, I honestly think that China has improved its anti doping significantly since the 1990’s and its important to acknowledge that.

Danjohnrob

For what it’s worth, Mr Lord, I am grateful for your honest reporting and visit this site daily to learn the truth about what’s happening in our sport! Thank you for your consistent opposition to cheating and injustice in swimming!

MP

Chris, please read my post again and properly please. Not once, but twice I refer to GBR swimmers. I know Linford and others cheated (Chambers to name one). But they are not swimmers. The day one of our swimmers is found to be doped, I will be very sad. Like I am sad every time a swimmer or athlete from any Country is doping to cheat clean athletes.

MP

This is SWIMVortex. Not ATHLETICS or CYCLING Vortex we are commenting on.

Chris

MP
I know that you said that and you are right I can’t think of any British Swimmer caught for doping, not elite anyway. I was just highlighting how doping is a world wide problem and that we should not be saying, this country is clean that one is not. I’m British myself from an Irish background who supported Michelle Smith nearly 20 years ago, so I have been fooled in the past for supporting a person who was obviously cheating and she still has her Olympic medals!

Craig Lord

Chris – the change has been acknowledged but serious problems remain and there is a lack of transparency on a number of levels. Being optimistic is a good thing – and calling it like it is, that’s important, too.

Chris

Craig I agree particularly about the Coach extreme vigilance is important. I don’t much like the fact that the World Champs are in Russia given their recent problems.

roy

craig lord,china publishes results from it,s national swimming championships. i think it,s more difficult to get results of age groupers in china. does china even have age group meets. i know of a few age groupers from china who are doing well but they are swimming at the chinese national championships. there is li zhuhao ,the 16 year old butterflier who finished 2nd in the 50 fly and third in the 100 fly and there is an astonishing result from a 15 year old male breaststroker,i can,t remember his name right now.he was close to the minute mark at the semifinals of the men,s 100 meters breastroke with a time of 1:00:38.he was slower in the final but got the bronze medal.

roy

the name of the 15 year old male breaststroker is wang lizhuo. He also got the silver medal at the chinese nationals in the 50 meters breaststroke with a time of 27.79. he,s really fast for a 15 year old.

MP

Chris, of course doping is a worldwide problem in all sports. Michelle Smith was a joke. She did not even have a qualifying time, then she goes to the Olympics and wins several gold medals. And Bill Clinton kissing her in public saying that she was 100 clean. Yes. Like him…

Craig Lord

roy – where does it publish them? This from a good colleague in China: “… we have asked for a full set of results for many years but it is impossible to get them, even those of us who are at the event covering do not get them”
Coach on deck in China “… we try to take down as much as we can from the scoreboard because when it’s gone, it’s gone and no amount of pleading has led to us getting results…”

So, where is the link to the full national championship results, roy? … in common with every other leading swim nation in the world? You point us to it: we’d be delighted – as would media and coaches in China … heats, semis, splits, the whole lot, pretty standard stuff all around the world.

MP

Roy, can you please send us 200 and 400 IM full results with as of each swimmers, splits for each stroke and all that, when China Swimming publishes the full results? Many thanks. PS. I reckon Craig and I will have to wait a very long time for that…

roy

craig lord what do you think of wang lizhuo,s swim at the chinese nationals.is he the fastest ever 15 year old breaststroker over the 100
meters distance.

Chris

MP
Well she fooled me at the time and I can admit that, but I was younger then!

roy

craig lord what do you think of wang lizhuo,s swim at the chinese nationals.is he the fastest ever 15 year old breaststroker at the 100
meters distance.

MP

Chris – Doped athletes fool all of us, not just a joung Chris… Armstrong fooled billions of people for 7 Tours…

Craig Lord

I’ll give you an opinion on him if you send me his splits and the full result sheet, Roy. You seem to think they’re published, so that should be easy. In general, speed and age are relatively to a number of things, including how long a kid has been engaged in hard training… there have been many young kids who have been very fast, very young – but never made it later in senior waters.

roy

wang lizhuo was a 1:00:38 at the chinese nationals 100 meters breaststroke semifinals at 15 years old. don,t know if there,s any 15 year old who,s been faster.

Craig Lord

Yes, Roy… but where’s the result sheet? And the split?

roy

when i said china publishes results, i meant the finals. i,m not a hard core swimming fan per say. i didn,t know u meant heats,semifinals and finals.i was asking you a simple question as a casual swimming fan and you were grumpy.so do you want to drive casual swimming fans from your site when swimming needs more promotion.so i,ll ask another simple question. if a country is not posting it,s full result sheet,what does it mean in swimming.does it mean the country is doping it,s swimmers.i don,t know much about this stuff since i,m a casual fan.i actually became a fan of swimming bcos of ryosuke irie,his backstroke is majestic.

Kat

I didn’t know Li Zhesi was still banned in China, but I noticed she was swimming for Ohio in the NCAAs last month – solid B-final times but unremarkable, about right for a freshman getting used to SCYs. A far cry from a 13-year-old putting down a 24.9 in Beijing. She seems to have made a new start in a new environment and good luck to her, but I wonder if those racing against her are thinking what the longer term benefits of EPO-use for a sprinter might be, 3 years on.

roy

she,s not banned from swimming in china per say but the chinese authorities have made life very difficult for li zhesi since her positive doping test.i think she,s banned from swimming for her province, the ban is not from china but from her provincial team,but if she can,t swim for her province then she can,t even qualify to represent china.
maybe she hopes of competing for the US in the future. as for EPO,s i doubt that she has any advantages 3 years on,her results are unremarkable.

Craig Lord

roy – if I sounded grumpy it was probably because I felt it: you really do have to expect when you come to a site like this one that we know what we’re talking about. So when I say they don’t publish results and you say ‘craig lord China does publish results” like some petulant child, then I feel it perfectly reasonable to ask you to show us the evidence of your claim. Clearly you haven’t a clue – therefore, it might be wise not to pretend that you do have. Very happy to have anyone visit the site who wants to, of course but if you leave comments requiring me to engage in a great load of work correcting your assumptions, I’d rather you go off and do your homework first. Swimming is fairly simple: heats happen in the morning (mostly) and from several heats, the fastest 8 (in most intl waters) or 10 go through to finals (sometimes best 16 to semis and that goes down to 8 for a final the next day) – and semis and finals tend to happen in the evenings (but not always). In the midst of all that, there are things such as records, rankings, split times, etc, all part of the rich tapestry of the sport. And China has been asked to comply by people like me (I’m far from being alone) for 25 years. In 2015, it is still not cooperating. The lack of results, splits, etc means that there are no full records of a swimmers career in China. That information is often useful not only for the telling of the story of a swimmer but spotting irregular behaviour and patterns. For example, in the 1990s, one of the main lines was that the world champion or the record setter etc from China ‘came from nowhere’ because to the rest of the world, they did precisely that… from zero to hero (or not). When I see Sun yang has done a 1:45 or a 3:46 of whatever, I’d like to know how he swam the race… easier to analyse and write about … so would many others in swimming like to know such info. China should be as transparent and open with publishing the details of its meets, times, splits, numbers participating as all other nations. For example, one can look through the ranks 300 and more deep at the end of years to see the strength of US backstroke, German backstroke, Australian medley etc… no chance of doing that in China because no-one keeps the record … or if they do, they don’t share it. It is really poor and contributes to a picture of ‘internal manipulation’. For example, there have been times when national teams have gone with Nos 2 and 5 or 4 and 7 or 1 and 6 best in the country, while No 2 and even No 1 on occasion has not made it to the big meet. It is never explained why – but it certainly is not normal practice. Further, there have been reports out of china that people representing betting outfits have entered call rooms (this at the All-China Games, no less … a call room is the room where swimmers gather, ‘confirm their presence and wait to be called out to their race) and taken swimmers out of races to reduce the risk that their man of women might be beaten… even a whole team race on one occasion, I’m told. Such things shatter FINA rules and if they are happening they are wholly unacceptable. Ok, casual fan, I have no more time to educate you this evening but please do take it upon yourself to read up on the subject before leaving comments and calling people ‘grumpy’. Good evening.

felixdangerpants

Roy you are doing well trying to avoid the questions that you have set yourself up for. Time to stop posting rubbish & talking utter nonsense. You are sounding like Brian King.

Craig Lord

Roy, I love that notion about Li Zhesi: so, the swimmer cannot swim for a province, nor move to another situation, nor represent a different set up… but she can get a full visa to go and live and study and train in the USA (we better not ask who’s paying for it all) even though the authorities have it in for her. Something doesn’t really add up there.

MP

Craig – I guess we are all wasting our time with this gentleman called Roy. You have far more pressing issues to deal with. We are all on your side on your fight against doping. Oh, and your immense work is always appreciated by all of us fans of Swimvortex. Keep it up and thank you so much.

roy

i said china publishes results like ‘a petulant child ‘according to you,you sound really petulant yourself.i don,t know about li zhesi,her parents could be paying for it. afterall she,s in school.good evening to you too.

Craig Lord

Where do they publish the results roy … you reduced it to ‘just finals’ … where? where do you see them, Roy? We’d love to know.

roy

hey i,ve already admitted my mistake and said i meant the finals not the heats and semifinals but you went ahead and said that i said china publishes results like a so called ‘petulant child’. i
meant finals.i,m not saying that china doesn,t have problems but i can say that they,ll be far ahead of where they are now in 10 years or so.we all have to be optimistic.china is quite secretive and not only on sports.they are secretive in a lot of things but they are opening up.the thing is china has a strong distrust of westerners since the opium war days but they are opening up.

Craig Lord

roy – I’m simply asking you to point us to the place where they publish the results even of whole of finals… even Xinhua uses only podium places, not even extending to four in events that lead to relays… and never any splits. If you can see eight swimmers with results from Baoji in each event, please point us to it. Thanks

As for opium wars etc, come on… we’ve moved on long ago… China is a nation that leads the world in some gene doping therapies, a nation that hosted the 2008 Olympics and 2011 world swim championships, complete with full timing systems, result sheets, splits times, you name it, whole biog sections for media websites and more for fans…

They have a FINA Bureau member who has been there for many years and has met the good folk from omega on many occasions (and seen how they do it all so smoothly)… a short conversation, a contract … it would take very little to get the job done for national championships – they could even pay for it out of the CSA share of Sun Yang’s bonus money.

Whatever is holding them back, I don’t think its the opium wars 🙂

roy

china doesn,t publish the full finals? i didn,t know that.anyway i,m convinced that things will improve in china over time.that,s what i,m trying to say.

MP

Roy – You are a time waster at best.

roy

china leads in gene doping? i always thought it was a bit of science fiction but it seems it,s becoming a reality.japanese,european,american and chinese scientists working on gene doping is scary.african swimmers like chad le clos wont stand a chance.

roy

how does wada test for gene doping?

Belgium_kangoo

I also am one of the MANy who applaud your extensive description of doping cases when you writeabout the results of such swimmers !!

they deserved to be shunned and targetted as FINA and WADA didn’t do “justice” !

Keep doing the work 😉 and keep reporting on doping cases and the corruption of the organisation !! One day, hopefuly, it will be cleaner and less corrupt !

HKSWIMMER

Craig – not to sound on the side of Roy here, but I am afraid the Chinese federation do publish all splits. It’s just very difficult to find.

For this particular Championship – look here:

http://www.swimat.com:8080/SRS/MatchQuery

There are two search options – the most specific is according to event + name.

For example, Sun Yang’s heat swim of 3:48 can be found here:

00:00.72
50米 00:25.74
100米 00:53.92
150米 01:22.63
200米 01:51.61
250米 02:20.99
300米 02:50.64
350米 03:19.35
最终成绩 03:48.60

Finals 400m:

00:00.75
50米 00:26.16
100米 00:54.12
150米 01:22.66
200米 01:51.42
250米 02:19.82
300米 02:48.61
350米 03:16.87
最终成绩 03:44.53

etc. etc.

Things that make you go M'mmmm

Roy, are you sure you’re not Brian King in disguise?

HKSWIMMER

The issue with splits here and finding them is, frankly, probably attributable to a language issue and not knowing where to look. Google translate does not work on the site I just linked to, for example.

Of course this is extremely frustrating to the rest of the world who are unfamiliar with the system, but I do have to stick it out there – you can find everything!

As such, though I used to swim for Hong Kong and not China, I feel some sense of affinity to the Chinese Team (even if I will not defend them from their troubled track record) – and would appreciate it being noted that the federation, at least when it comes to results, are not as opaque as swimvortex and some people’s comments might lead us to believe.

HKSWIMMER

Just out of interest for people in this case:

Splits for 200m Free finals:

00:00.74
50米 00:25.10
100米 00:51.90
150米 01:18.89
最终成绩 01:45.75

Splits for the 800m:

00:00.78
50米 00:26.62
100米 00:55.36
150米 01:24.61
200米 01:53.87
250米 02:23.42
300米 02:53.02
350米 03:22.55
400米 03:52.06
450米 04:21.79
500米 04:51.41
550米 05:21.50
600米 05:51.13
650米 06:21.44
700米 06:51.18
750米 07:20.13
最终成绩 07:47.59

HKSWIMMER

As for the 15 year old’s swim, this was the final:

泳道 分组排序 姓名 代表队 成绩 备注
1 6 孙陈伟 广东体彩 00:28.54
2 7 薛佳佳 北京水立方 00:28.56
3 3 李响 天津 00:27.92
4 2 王立卓 海军 00:27.79
5 1 史伟佳 上海 00:27.61
6 4 闫子贝 湖北斐尼斯 00:28.32
7 5 张志豪 上海 00:28.36
8 8 黄云鲲 广州军区 00:28.78

HKSWIMMER

Sorry to spam Craig, but as such I would also be curious – is 王立卓/Wang Lizhuo’s swim the fastest 50m breastroke for a 15 year old ever? I don’t think Gyurta went that fast back in the day.

Also on a general note, if you want splits, let me know and I will be happy to find them for you, as the search function is confusing for those who do not know Chinese.

aswimfan

1960swimmer,

The Japanese inhaled oxygen before they swam?

Who knew that’s the secret of swimming fast!
I should remind myself to inhale oxygen if I want to swim fast!

aswimfan

And I must say, although I have had the disagreement with Craig Lord here and there in the past, Swimvortex and Craig Lord is the best in reporting swimming’s real issues which are not written and reported by any other swimming media.

And I say this as someone who has followed swimming since early 1990s and has read Craig Lord’s articles from years ago in the Times, swimnews, etc etc.

As for Ning Zetao and his contaminated meat, I believe that story as much as I believe yang and his heart condition, Mellouli and his studying, Hardy and her contaminated supplements, Efimova and her supplements, Cielo and his tainted coffee, park and his chiropractor injection, etc.

aswimfan

I kept hearing wang lizhuo the breaststroker is 15 yo, can someone tell me the birth date of li?

Dee

I imagine I won’t be alone in imploring you to continue to highlight athletes who have served doping suspensions, Craig. Doping is indefensible, contaminated products included. As an elite athlete you have a duty to rigorously protect your body from banned substances. I’d also quite like to know who to cheer against 😉

It isn’t about race or ‘you and us’, as you rightly say – Dwain Chambers is a case in point, he really was shunned by the British public upon returning in 2008.

pol

ALL CHEATERS SHOULD BE BANNED FOR LIFE.

NO SECOND CHANCES.

aswimfan

The problem of online searching anything originated in China is that Google is blocked and banned by the Chinese government.

Google through Chrome has also recently revoked the certificate issued by the Chinese Internet authority since they (the Chinese) subcontracted the certificate issuance to a third party which was found to be extremely lax in terms of security, posing serious security problem to anyone accessing the sites whose certificates issued by the Chinese authority.

Cindy

I am in Baoji. This time the Chinese national championships has started a new results system which works on the cell-phone. All the results come out quickly, but no splits. It is really a big improvement for us.

Craig Lord

HKswimmer – many thanks indeed.

Craig Lord

HKswimmer, thanks but fair to note that the quotes from the journalists and the coach I cited here are real, not made up. Great to see a start but clearly problems remain. And if that was so easy, why would the CSA not answer at least a dozen emails on the subject? Seems a pretty easy thing to answer *not just from me but from colleagues, too), Again, thanks for your help. Much appreciated.

Craig Lord

Cindy – great to hear.

aswimfan

Not only Google Chrome but also Mozilla Firefox:

Google’s Chrome and Mozilla’s Firefox browsers will stop trusting all new digital certificates issued by the China Internet Network Information Center following a major trust breach last week that led to the issuance of unauthorized credentials for Gmail and several other Google domains.

http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/04/google-chrome-will-banish-chinese-certificate-authority-for-breach-of-trust/

CINDY

http://www.swimat.com:8080/SRS/MatchQuery

Good news!

Look, I just findthe website of the new system. download the data which has the complete results and splits !

CINDY

WANG Lizhuo was born in 1998.

Craig Lord

Great. Bravo – first year of that, great step. Sorry to those who’ve worked on that in response to all those many times of asking and pressure 🙂 Well done … i can see at a glance one of China’s issues when it gets to intl waters: many are swimming far too slow in heats 🙂

Craig Lord

Thanks Cindy – very helpful.

Craig Lord

Cindy – which field do we look at for splits?

AsianFan

Craig:
Do we have any problems with Japanese splits and results in their local swimming competition! Is it ezily accessible? They don’t have the size and height advantages but Hagino, he competes like a giant, trains like a’bumble bee’ and slays like a ‘ninja’.

aswimfan

AsianFan,

It IS VERY EASY to find complete results from the Japanese trials for world championships:

http://swim.seiko.co.jp/en/2015/S70701/eng_index.htm

And it IS easily accessible, unlike chinese swimming news or results.

And yes, Hagino competes like a giant, trains like a’bumble bee’ and slays like a ‘ninja’.
and your point is….? or do you actually have any point?

AsianFan

Then the Chinese should learn from them, not ‘worshiping’ coaches and gurus from other parts of the world whereby national interests and personal interests are politicized thus a creating a negative appeal as to the human quest for ultimate challenge in sports to celebrate and enjoy ! Anyway, Seiko did a great job in the timing info no wonder they are no.1. CSA should engage and embrace their system of transparency.

zhen

Craig,

This time they have an app to report real time results, which I find really convenient and exciting. The full splits are reported after the session.

The splits can be downloaded by clicking the last tag “资料下载” from the website provided by Cindy. It’s organized by session. So session 1 is the prelims on the first day and session 2 is the semi/finals on the first day, etc.

Unfortunately the names are in Chinese, which is something to improve next time.

zhen

By the way Wang lizhuo is 17 years old. He was born in 1998 and just had his birthday two days ago.

Craig Lord

Japanese results are fairly easy to come by (some college events not so easy… which is the case far and wide…), AsianFan, and all their big moments have long been very visible (and translated, which helps, of course :).

Craig Lord

Zhen, many thanks … will try to work it out. The names I can manage 🙂

Craig Lord

Great. Thanks for that info Zhen, much appreciated

MP

DEE – you are definitely not alone!

MP

Craig – I know you are a man of many surprises, but amongst the endless list of your achievements, I did not think you could include mastering the Chinese language as well?!?

roy

wang lizhuo may be the future of chinese breaststroke,that is if he improves to a sub minute mark in the 100 meters breaststroke.and yes doping in sports makes fans lose trust in athletes but i don,t know about banning athletes for life. i believe in second chances.everybody loves a good and honest comeback.

roy

except for repeat dopers. i support life time bans for repeat dopers-offenders.

aswimfan

A196swimmer,

I actually believed you when you said the Japanese swimmers inhaled oxygen before their races.
The question is:
1. is inhaling oxygen before racing illegal in 1932 or 1936 Olympics?
2. Is inhaling oxygen before racing illegal now?

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