All Roads To Rio 1500 Lead From Rome: Greg Paltrinieri 14:08.06 WR Cracks Hackett Epic

Gregorio Paltrinieri celebrates his world-record win at the Wingate Institute Pool in Netanya - by Patrick B. Kraemer
Gregorio Paltrinieri celebrates his world-record win at the Wingate Institute Pool in Netanya - by Patrick B. Kraemer

No getting round it: day 3 witnessed the highlight of the European winter showcase so far – 14:08.06 from Gregorio Paltrinieri, European short and long, then World S/C, then World long-course champion and now, heading into Olympic season the world record holder. It is short-course but at 14:08.06 and given that we know that the Italian stacks up in the 50m pool, all roads to Rio lead from a flight leaving Rome next July

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aswimfan

Congrats for taking down the oldest WR! What a feat!

Wez

This was a stunning swim. I had looked forward to this race from the beginning of the championships. I just had a feeling he would break this record, and he certainly smashed it.

If he rests up a bit for Duel in the pool, could you imagine him breaking 14: 00. the concept is a scary one but not too far off of what he averaged here. .25 of a second per 50.

Its would be tough, but seemingly plausible.

Congrats! Like Marco Koch, what a way to end off a year.

Craig Lord

Wez, I think we can take the concept of ‘rest’/’no rest’ with a small pinch of salt in many cases. Most are not racing in absolute peak and rested form, that’s for sure … but they’re not covering 80-100k this week either 🙂 I don’t think Greg P would go sub 14 if he rested from now to the Duel, to be honest… and I doubt he would want to either 🙂

Wez

Agreed, mind games are often played with media reports etc. I would find it hard to believe that their wasn’t some kind of a drop in work load. Just the fact that a 1500 swimmer has gone for about a week with no real mileage implies he is “rested”.

As for my comment about breaking 14 minutes, why do you think he would want to go sub 14? What an achievement. First person ever, and taking the race into another world.

Although the realistic side of me understands distance and how to drop time (I was a national champ over 800m Freestyle), my imagination does seem to run a bit wild, you will have to forgive me for this. 🙂

Craig Lord

You’re forgiven, Wez 🙂

clive rushton

I estimate each ‘mitsake’ (sic) in swimming costs around 0.2/0.3 so theorizing a sub-14:00 is not pie in the sky in my mind.

Craig Lord

No, but it is 0.5 faster every 100, which at 14:08 ain’t easy …

clive rushton

No-one said swimming fastest was easy 🙂

Craig Lord

No, but the moment a 14:08 is done, a sub 14 min is being discussed… an indecent haste, one might say 🙂 .. and on the basis of mistakes of the magnitude you speak of, Clive, a 46.8 100 l/c free is just as plausible; but it probably won’t happen just yet…

aswimfan

Food for thought:
When Hackett did that 14:10.10, his goggles were filled with water and he couldn’t see, he couldn’t hear the lap bell because of crowd noise, and he did the tumble turn so he actually finished on his feet.

Craig Lord

Yes, swim history is full of ifs and buts beyond the result sheet, aswimfan – and no going back to correct mistakes, either…

aswimfan

True, Craig.

I mentioned Hackett’s finish to address the opinion in the previous comments that said Paltrinieri should easily go sub 14 if he tidies up his start/turns.

Hackett was 21 -same age as Paltirinieri now- when he did that 14:10.10 and he did finish on the feet, and yet never again he broke the WR when at that time it was easy to see that he should be able to break the WR again. And we know Hackett is no less of a talent than Paltrinieri. Paltrinieri can break the WR again, but there’s also possibility he will not.

WR happens when it happens.

Craig Lord

Quite so, aswimfan

clive rushton

“but it probably won’t happen just yet…”

Exactly. Just yet.

Yozhik

@Aswimfan.
😀 It is the wisest thing about the prediction of world records I’ve ever read on this site.
I think that the following will be a nice illustration to it. I call it “Things happen”.

Ledecky’s accidental world record.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/109797241/Just%20happened.%20Ledecky.JPG

Jordan’s championship winning shot
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/109797241/Just%20happened.%20Jordan.JPG

😀

Craig Lord

It is a wisdom we have written many times over Yozhik 🙂

Craig Lord

And ‘just yet’ meaning v unlikely at the Duel; you’ll have to forgive my reluctance to talk about such things with enthusiasm. To do so when a WR has just been set always feels to me like a fat man whose just had a five-course meal, the chocolate sauce and expresso yet on lip and bib before he asks ‘so, what feast for supper?’ 🙂

Craig Lord

I’m not sure that accidental is quite right, Yozhik – happening by chance, unintentionally, or unexpectedly. Actually, such folk prepare for such moments with every passing day, season after season long before those moments unfold and before they do, the athlete and those closest to them may well know “that something good is going to happen; And I don’t know when; But just saying it could even make it happen” (Kate Bush, Cloudbusting) – there is plan, intent and expectation in the mix, too.

Wez

I liked the analogy of the cake eating. Quite so, gluttonous perhaps. Or highly enthusiastic.

We cannot simply compare Hackett and Greg like that in my opinion. Yes Greg is 21 and he has a world title, but at that age, Grant had 2 WC golds for his 1500 and an Olympic crown, as well as WR in both versions of the sport.

How many times have you seen a swimmer come off a great meet, go into another one and simply get faster.

Ofcourse again, in my original comment i used the words “imagine” “tough” “plausible” and “scary concept”. I fully understand the kind of swim i am hoping for. It would no doubt be breathtaking to see.

Yozhik

Craig, of course you are right and that is how I should’ve responded to Aswimfan. When Ledecky was asked how she managed to break 4 minutes at 400 at her first start at WC, her answer wasn’t: “Oh, my Gosh! I’m so happy! It just happened”. Her answer was very simple and brief: ” A lot of training”. That is when I began to believe that world records are on the way.
Aswimfan’s Maxim that things happen when they happen was so deep that I didn’t even understand what it means and if he is questioning the cause-and-effect principle or making some reference to Devine work. So in order not to look stupid I decided to make an innocent joke. I hope you like those pictures. I do.

Craig Lord

I do, Yozhik.

ThereaLuigi

I am so happy about my countryfellow’s feat. He has some kind of magic: he is the least technically refined of the lot, yet he swims like a monster. I can’t quite figure out what it is so unique about him, aside from his perfect engine (heart & lungs, so to speak), and I would like to hear the opinion of the experts on this site.

A bit off topic, but I wonder sometimes what time Thorpe would have clocked, had they let him swim the 1500. I know there was a point in his career when he was swimming distances in training that are comparable to those of a 1500 swimmer.

Craig Lord

Thorpe At 17, l/c TheraLuigi: 15:25.05. (I think it might have been a case of him not wanting to do it rather than them not letting him…)

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